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Started by Phillip V, May 05, 2009, 09:46:06 PM

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Syt

Same, tbh. :) I try to approach most series I watch like that these days. I always like seeing more from universes/settings I like, so I will enjoy it more often than not, even if it's not going to make me feel like the "classics" did when I first watched them. Then again, my TNG rewatch is on a bit of a break, because I'm in the second half of Season 2 and have Samaritan Snare, Up the Long Ladder, and Shades of Gray ahead of me :D
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Josephus

Quote from: HVC on August 04, 2025, 02:25:15 AMAlso, garbon, are you watching the new season of SNW? Seems like it's only Syt, Viper, and I. If so what do you think?

i'm watching too.  :(
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HVC

Quote from: Josephus on August 06, 2025, 10:10:01 AM
Quote from: HVC on August 04, 2025, 02:25:15 AMAlso, garbon, are you watching the new season of SNW? Seems like it's only Syt, Viper, and I. If so what do you think?

i'm watching too.  :(
:hug: how you liking it?
Being lazy is bad; unless you still get what you want, then it's called "patience".
Hubris must be punished. Severely.

Josephus

Quote from: HVC on August 06, 2025, 01:15:26 PM
Quote from: Josephus on August 06, 2025, 10:10:01 AM
Quote from: HVC on August 04, 2025, 02:25:15 AMAlso, garbon, are you watching the new season of SNW? Seems like it's only Syt, Viper, and I. If so what do you think?

i'm watching too.  :(
:hug: how you liking it?

I like it. It's fun and doesn't take itself too seriously. Could do without Spock though. Anson Mount is great.
Civis Romanus Sum<br /><br />"My friends, love is better than anger. Hope is better than fear. Optimism is better than despair. So let us be loving, hopeful and optimistic. And we'll change the world." Jack Layton 1950-2011

HVC

I like spock, and i like the original romance. They've taking a good things too far though.
Being lazy is bad; unless you still get what you want, then it's called "patience".
Hubris must be punished. Severely.

Bauer

I'm not enjoying this 3rd season.  I had hopes SNW was a step back to the Star Trek i once knew, but Where are the strange new worlds they are supposed to be exploring  :hmm:

Spock speed dating is definitely not what I had in mind.

Syt

Xenoarchaeology? Eldritch horrors? YES PLEASE! :w00t:

Loved the episode, even it was essentially a D&D puzzle dungeon :P
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Syt

Huh, had forgotten that the planet of the week was namedropped in Wedding Bells Blues (Ep. 2 of the season). :D :o

https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/Vadia_IX (Spoilers, obviously)
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Josquius

I got around to watching the first episode of the series.
I do hate end of series cliff hangers. Had totally forgot what had happened - why was La'an in that pit? Why couldn't they just keep Batel in a transporter buffer?

Seemed they were going to use this opportunity to kill off a supporting character but no.

Interesting the way they have the gorn as purely instinctual animals. Quite at odds with prior appearances and raises lots of questions of how they have all this tech.
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Syt

Watched some TNG today.

Samaritan Snare, aka "The one with the Pakleds." In many episodes, Worf's suggestions on the bridge are brushed off, because he tends to err on the side of violence. However, this time he's absolutely right. "Why are we sending our Chief Engineer by himself over to that ship we know nothing about?" And Riker doesn't care. Though shortly after Troi confirms Worf's suspicions (shame she wasn't on the bridge during initial contact - maybe that should be standard procedure?  :P ). The more interesting part of the episode is Wesley and Picard sharing an uncomfortable shuttle ride where they get to bond and we learn for the first time about Picard's artificial hear and how he lost it. Of course Lower Decks would later feature the Pakleds much more prominently. :D

Up the Long Ladder, aka "The one with the cartoon space Irish." A lot of padding in the episode. They spend a long time to even get to the distress beacon. And there's a whole thing about Worf having a kid's disease which Pulaski covers for him and they share a spot of Klingon tea to bond. I think Pulaski gets a lot of undeserved criticism. She joins the cast being abrasive and confrontational. But later in the season she's softened a lot and is just another gruff doctor in the tradition of the show.

Poor Colm Meaney, he's known (like most Irish) to not be a fan of Irish stereotypes, and this episode must have stuck in his craw. It's not "Code of Honor" levels of yikes, but still - yikes. Again, there's the other part which often gets brushed over because everyone remembers the Twee Irish (the main Irish being played by actors from Yorkshire and London, respectively). Their sister colony, consisting of clones of five people and begging for new genetic material to keep their society going. Enterprise doesn't want to share, so they steal DNA from Riker and Pulaski which they disagree with - Riker even making an impassioned defense of his bodily autonomy. Would he be pro-choice and/or anti-vaxxer? :P Either way, a solution is found - put the space Irish on the clone planet and have kids the traditional way. Oh, and each woman should have three husbands to create a broad genetic pool (at one point Pulaski mentions that they need sufficient "breeding stock." Again - yikes. The episode clarifies that it's all voluntary, but still. :D

Weird side note - Geordie can in this episode tell that the clone people were lying, because he can pick up small changes in temperature, muscle tension, pupils etc. in humans that are dead give-aways. This is never mentioned again, and people will still play poker with him. :hmm: :lol:
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Syt

TNG S2E19 - "Manhunt"

Lwaxana Troi boards the ship as the Betazed emissary to a conference on Pacifica. Also, she has entered "The Phase," when middle-aged Betazoid women's sexual appetite goes into overdrive.

QuoteCounselor Troi: [to Picard] My mother is beginning a physiological phase. It's one that all Betazoid women must deal with as they enter midlife.
Commander William T. Riker: Yes, it's something Troi warned me about when we first started to see each other. A Betazoid woman, when she goes through this phase... quadruples her sex drive.
Counselor Troi: Or more.
Commander William T. Riker: Or more? You never told me that.
Counselor Troi: I didn't want to frighten you.
Riker: :w00t:

Lwaxana tries to hook up with Picard who hides from her in the holodeck where Lwaxana falls for one of the holograms. Before leaving ship, Lwaxana casually reveals that the Antedian delegates who also travel on the ship are actually assassins. THE END.

It's bad. It's not silly enough to work as a full on farce, but not much else is happening. I'd argue that this episode has Lwaxana at her worst out of the handful of episodes she appeared in. I had a look on Memory Alpha at the production history, and it was written by Tracy Tormé who did the first Dixon Hill episode and The Royale. It seems that he originally had planned for a heavier noir bend, but that the script was revised heavily for more Lwaxana (wife of the boss, so whatcha gonna do), and he took his name off the episode. The Royale was also heavily re-written, it appears, and Tormé stopped writing for Trek.

My memories of the previous two episodes were not very fond, but on rewatching they were not as bad as I remembered, with some interesting extra bits beyond the not so great.

This one was just ... nothing. There's a few fun lines and jokes, but not enough to lift it up much. The most memorably trivia might be that Mick Fleetwood from Fleetwood Mac was one of the aliens:

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Josephus

STNG was in my opinion the best of all Star Treks but that's not saying it didn't have its share of bad episodes; most of which was due to the 24-episode seasons, which you don't see anymore.

Basically any episode with Lwaxanna, Worf's son  or Wesley were terrible.
Civis Romanus Sum<br /><br />"My friends, love is better than anger. Hope is better than fear. Optimism is better than despair. So let us be loving, hopeful and optimistic. And we'll change the world." Jack Layton 1950-2011

The Minsky Moment

Quote from: Syt on August 10, 2025, 12:49:13 PMWatched some TNG today.

(shame she wasn't on the bridge during initial contact - maybe that should be standard procedure?  :P ) . . .

Geordie can in this episode tell that the clone people were lying . . .


We have two people on board who can relaibly detect lies, shouldn't one of them be around for all significant contacts?

 -- Don't be silly it's the 24th century, we have super efficient mass-energy converters and faster than light travel,  our tech can easily detect lies.

OK, shouldn't we be using that, then?

-- Well . . . that wouldn't be sporting, would it?
We have, accordingly, always had plenty of excellent lawyers, though we often had to do without even tolerable administrators, and seen destined to endure the inconvenience of hereafter doing without any constructive statesmen at all.
--Woodrow Wilson

HVC

Quote from: Josephus on August 11, 2025, 04:42:51 PMSTNG was in my opinion the best of all Star Treks but that's not saying it didn't have its share of bad episodes; most of which was due to the 24-episode seasons, which you don't see anymore.

Basically any episode with Lwaxanna, Worf's son  or Wesley were terrible.

Holodeck episodes are hit or miss too.

That being side DS9 is obviously the best trek :contract: :D
Being lazy is bad; unless you still get what you want, then it's called "patience".
Hubris must be punished. Severely.

Josquius

DS9 is best.

It's often forgotten how TNG was a bridge between the silly  Dr Who style anything goes Sci fi story of the week of TOS and the serious developed universe of DS9.
Those early series were really.... Something.

It is a shame though that you don't get any shows anymore content to be lower budget less prestigious 24 eps a series shows. They all want to be BSG.
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