Washington Named Britain's Greatest Foe

[Razgovory]

I guess William III doesn't count cause he won.  Also I suppose  Maurice de Saxe gets no love.

[Admiral Yi]

I don't get why Washington's role at Yorktown is being discounted. Without Rochambeau it wouldn't have worked, but without Washington's army there wouldn't have been a siege.

I'm confused.  I thought Washington brought some regiments down from the north after Cornwallis had been bottled up by Gates.

[PDH]

Washington gets no love here.  The man kept an army in the field, and won battles with it, when others wouldn't have been able to.  The Trenton campaign alone is worth his stars.

[Admiral Yi]

Washington gets no love here.  The man kept an army in the field, and won battles with it, when others wouldn't have been able to.  The Trenton campaign alone is worth his stars.

He almost handed the whole army over a couple times during the New York campaign.

[CountDeMoney]

Washington gets no love here.  The man kept an army in the field, and won battles with it, when others wouldn't have been able to.  The Trenton campaign alone is worth his stars.

He does here.   

Trenton, and the delaying actions to successfully haul ass out of the New York trap.

Very few generals managed to keep an army in the field for so long against an opponent that tried for years to engage him in one battle that would've ended it all.

[CountDeMoney]

Washington gets no love here.  The man kept an army in the field, and won battles with it, when others wouldn't have been able to.  The Trenton campaign alone is worth his stars.

He almost handed the whole army over a couple times during the New York campaign.

And we almost got tossed back into the sea at Omaha beach. Big fucking deal. Almost only counts in horseshoes.

[PDH]

Trenton, and the delaying actions to successfully haul ass out of the New York trap.

Very few generals managed to keep an army in the field for so long against an opponent that tried for years to engage him in one battle that would've ended it all.

Oh, and FUCK general Lee at Monmouth.

[PDH]

Washington gets no love here.  The man kept an army in the field, and won battles with it, when others wouldn't have been able to.  The Trenton campaign alone is worth his stars.

He almost handed the whole army over a couple times during the New York campaign.

Washington's greatest fault was trusting subordinates.  They were full of fail.

[Admiral Yi]

Washington's greatest fault was trusting subordinates.  They were full of fail.

Which of his subordinates chose defensive positions backing up on unfordable, unbridged rivers?

[CountDeMoney]

Oh, and FUCK general Lee at Monmouth.

Should've shot that fucker in the field, right on the spot.  Just shows what a true gentleman Washington was.

[PDH]

Washington's greatest fault was trusting subordinates.  They were full of fail.

Which of his subordinates chose defensive positions backing up on unfordable, unbridged rivers?

You are a hater.  He knew he could get out of there.  I do not think the "Miracle of New York" is as big as it is made out to be, Washington understood his opponent and the conditions.  Howe was not about to pursue too vigorously, and Washington felt his position was alright.  He was failed by subordinates who couldn't even hold defensive positions.

[CountDeMoney]

You are a hater. 

Yes, he is.   

I do not think the "Miracle of New York" is as big as it is made out to be,

Hey now, those were Maryland boys. 

[PDH]

Hey now, those were Maryland boys. 

I blame the subordinates.  Washington did have a big weakness and that was relying on people whom he felt would be alright in the long run - he didn't have that instinct to weed out the chaff.  A well dug in army in the 18th century should have been able to humble an attacker, but too many of the colonial leaders were ready to break and run too fast.

[Admiral Yi]

Washington felt his position was alright.

He was wrong.

[Sheilbh]

He almost handed the whole army over a couple times during the New York campaign.

Good generalship isn't just about fighting and winning.  Effective fighting withdrawals are rare and very difficult to pull off.

Of those five:
Nappy
Ataturk
Collins
Rommel
Washington
But they're all very great.