Trayvon Martin case: use of Stand Your Ground law or pursuit of a black teen?

[Razgovory]

Zimmerman's actions are justified I suppose.  He saw the kid and recognized him as someone with multiple suspensions.  Martin was suspended because of having a screwdriver ( apparently that's a burglary tool), and Zimmerman had no other option but to shoot him.

Weak.

No shit.  The question is 'why did you post it, in the first place?'

[derspiess]

Zimmerman's actions are justified I suppose.  He saw the kid and recognized him as someone with multiple suspensions.  Martin was suspended because of having a screwdriver ( apparently that's a burglary tool), and Zimmerman had no other option but to shoot him.

Weak.

No shit.  The question is 'why did you post it, in the first place?'

And the answer is 'because I did not post that', dipshit.

[Razgovory]

Zimmerman's actions are justified I suppose.  He saw the kid and recognized him as someone with multiple suspensions.  Martin was suspended because of having a screwdriver ( apparently that's a burglary tool), and Zimmerman had no other option but to shoot him.

I got suspended for having a screwdriver in my backpack back  in grade school.  It's a "weapon."  My argument that the pencil on the principal's desk would have been more effective didn't exactly fly.

Heh.  Who knew it could be used for more then one thing.  Sounds like a zero policy thingy.  I began taking an umbrella with me everywhere I went in high school.  One of the assistant principles, told me to stop because it was a weapon.  I asked him if he was going to ban umbrellas from the school.  He just glared at me and said, nothing.  So I told him that I had more important things to do then stand around talking to him and left.  Funny thing was, I was fully intending to use it as a weapon.  Which I did.   

[Razgovory]

Anyway, here is the main article I alluded to earlier:

That's a bit of puff.  It doesn't say he's an angel so much that he's a 17 year old.  It mentions the suspension.

It mentions his most recent suspension, yes.  The version I read last week (this article was updated yesterday) said it was for tardiness, which was incorrect.

But I'm still not sure what you're talking about that shows him to not be a choirboy.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2120504/Trayvon-Martin-case-He-suspended-times-caught-burglary-tool.html

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/cutline/trayvon-martin-shooting-details-emerge-facebook-twitter-accounts-180103647.html

http://www.miamiherald.com/2012/03/26/2714778/thousands-expected-at-trayvon.html

Really?  You didn't post this?  Well it looks like you posted it.

[derspiess]

Anyway, here is the main article I alluded to earlier:

That's a bit of puff.  It doesn't say he's an angel so much that he's a 17 year old.  It mentions the suspension.

It mentions his most recent suspension, yes.  The version I read last week (this article was updated yesterday) said it was for tardiness, which was incorrect.

But I'm still not sure what you're talking about that shows him to not be a choirboy.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2120504/Trayvon-Martin-case-He-suspended-times-caught-burglary-tool.html

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/cutline/trayvon-martin-shooting-details-emerge-facebook-twitter-accounts-180103647.html

http://www.miamiherald.com/2012/03/26/2714778/thousands-expected-at-trayvon.html

Really?  You didn't post this?  Well it looks like you posted it.

That doesn't say what you're trying to make it say.  Especially since you're apparently ignoring my other post:

Anyway, why is it relevant?  It's relevant because we don't have all the facts of the incident and everyone has decided to try to figure out on their own what happened.  If we're going to play that game, it helps to know more about the character of both people involved.

[PDH]

Never argue with Raz.  He will drag you down to his level then beat you with his umbrella.

[Jacob]

Never argue with Raz.  He will drag you down to his level then beat you with his umbrella.

That's what derSpiess wants. That way he can shoot Raz and get away with it.

[DGuller]

I hadn't been watching the news for a couple days, but it sounds like it's turning out that Trayvon wasn't quite the choir boy we had originally been led to believe he was, and was not in fact a 17-year old who still looked like he was 12.  Veddy intedesting...

Wow.  I'm sort of glad now that the Hispanic guy with a Jewish name put an end to Trayvon's rampage.

[Valmy]

Never argue with Raz.  He will drag you down to his level then beat you with his umbrella.

That's what derSpiess wants. That way he can shoot Raz and get away with it.

Only if he can somehow lure Raz to some basement in Florida.  Which is unlikely since there are no basements in the South.

[crazy canuck]

Only if he can somehow lure Raz to some basement in Florida.  Which is unlikely since there are no basements in the South.

He need only lure Raz to a store where candy and pop are sold.

[Eddie Teach]

Only if he can somehow lure Raz to some basement in Florida.  Which is unlikely since there are no basements in the South.

House I lived in in Alabama when I was 8 had a basement.

[CountDeMoney]

The lead homicide investigator in the shooting of unarmed teenager Trayvon Martin recommended that neighborhood watch captain George Zimmerman be charged with manslaughter the night of the shooting, multiple sources told ABC News.

But Sanford, Fla., Investigator Chris Serino was instructed to not press charges against Zimmerman because the state attorney's office headed by Norman Wolfinger determined there wasn't enough evidence to lead to a conviction, the sources told ABC News.

Police brought Zimmerman into the station for questioning for a few hours on the night of the shooting, said Zimmerman's attorney, despite his request for medical attention first. Ultimately they had to accept Zimmerman's claim of self defense. He was never charged with a crime.

Serino filed an affidavit on Feb. 26, the night that Martin was shot and killed by Zimmerman, that stated he was unconvinced Zimmerman's version of events.

Zimmerman, 28, claimed he shot Martin, 17, in self defense.

One complicating factor in the investigation was that the first detective to interview Zimmerman about the shooting was a narcotics officer rather than a homicide detective.

The State Attorney's office said only "no comment" when asked about the affidavit today.

[Razgovory]

Anyway, here is the main article I alluded to earlier:

That's a bit of puff.  It doesn't say he's an angel so much that he's a 17 year old.  It mentions the suspension.

It mentions his most recent suspension, yes.  The version I read last week (this article was updated yesterday) said it was for tardiness, which was incorrect.

But I'm still not sure what you're talking about that shows him to not be a choirboy.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2120504/Trayvon-Martin-case-He-suspended-times-caught-burglary-tool.html

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/cutline/trayvon-martin-shooting-details-emerge-facebook-twitter-accounts-180103647.html

http://www.miamiherald.com/2012/03/26/2714778/thousands-expected-at-trayvon.html

Really?  You didn't post this?  Well it looks like you posted it.

That doesn't say what you're trying to make it say.  Especially since you're apparently ignoring my other post:

Anyway, why is it relevant?  It's relevant because we don't have all the facts of the incident and everyone has decided to try to figure out on their own what happened.  If we're going to play that game, it helps to know more about the character of both people involved.

I'm not clear why a kid with a screw driver important information on the character.  Why is that "Veddy intedesting"?

[Rasputin]

This shows that America is a freer land than the UK.

In the UK, the police jails you for posting an offensive tweet about a black man. In the US, you go free despite shooting a black man to death.

Well, if it were the other way around and the black man had the gun and shot the wanne-be cop in Florida, I think someone would be in jail right now.   Just a guess.

being prejudiced about southern race relations (or at least north florida ones) is about as helpful or informed as any other prejudices

jacksonville, which is every bit the deep south as sanford is, has an elected black mayor and recently had an elected black sherriff despite a minority population that only makes up 25% of the electorate

having lived in baltimore and in jacksonville, without any equivocation, baltimore is the far more racist and race conscience place

[Rasputin]

Zimmerman's actions are justified I suppose.  He saw the kid and recognized him as someone with multiple suspensions.  Martin was suspended because of having a screwdriver ( apparently that's a burglary tool), and Zimmerman had no other option but to shoot him.

Weak.

No shit.  The question is 'why did you post it, in the first place?'

And the answer is 'because I did not post that', dipshit.

dont feed the troll; raz gets off on changing what you actually post so he can defeat the straw man