Ron Paul, the Hamilcar of Presidential Candidates

[Admiral Yi]

Because major disasters don't happen too often, so there is not enough data.  Because we still can't predict the occurance of earthquakes.  Because if it works, commercial insurance companies would have done it.

Why do you think there is enough data?

How do you know that major disasters don't happen too often?

[CountDeMoney]

We should get rid of fire departments, too.  And community hospitals.  Get your own fire hoses and paramedic kits.

[Razgovory]

We should get rid of fire departments, too.  And community hospitals.  Get your own fire hoses and paramedic kits.

Beat you to it.

[Tamas]

We should get rid of fire departments, too.  And community hospitals.  Get your own fire hoses and paramedic kits.

It is sooo not the same thing.

[Razgovory]

We should get rid of fire departments, too.  And community hospitals.  Get your own fire hoses and paramedic kits.

It is sooo not the same thing.

Why not?  It's a case where government is being used to solve personal problems.

[Admiral Yi]

Why not?  It's a case where government is being used to solve personal problems.

So is the National Guard helping preserve order and helping people to shelter, which Paul claims to be in favor of.

[CountDeMoney]

We should get rid of fire departments, too.  And community hospitals.  Get your own fire hoses and paramedic kits.

It is sooo not the same thing.

Sure it is.  Organized, pooled assets for collective assistance and security within a community.  Local, municipal, state, federal. It's what we do.

[CountDeMoney]

Why not?  It's a case where government is being used to solve personal problems.

So is the National Guard helping preserve order and helping people to shelter, which Paul claims to be in favor of.

National Guardmen are state entities, not federal.

[Admiral Yi]

Sure it is.  Organized, pooled assets for collective assistance and security within a community.  Local, municipal, state, federal. It's what we do.

The tragedy of the commons.

[CountDeMoney]

Sure it is.  Organized, pooled assets for collective assistance and security within a community.  Local, municipal, state, federal. It's what we do.

The tragedy of the commons.

No, you are.

[Razgovory]

Why not?  It's a case where government is being used to solve personal problems.

So is the National Guard helping preserve order and helping people to shelter, which Paul claims to be in favor of.

So is bailouts and government assistance.  So maybe he ain't so consistent after all.  Or maybe SSI employees should carry guns and have uniforms.  Maybe that makes the difference.

[Razgovory]

Sure it is.  Organized, pooled assets for collective assistance and security within a community.  Local, municipal, state, federal. It's what we do.

The tragedy of the commons.

Is that really what you want to invoke?  The danger of unregulated resources taken by private actors?  As far as I know, organized, pooled assets are regulated by definition.

[Admiral Yi]

Is that really what you want to invoke?  The danger of unregulated resources taken by private actors?  As far as I know, organized, pooled assets are regulated by definition.

Really!

The tragedy of the commons is not that of unregulated resources taken by private actors, it's the overuse of commonly held assets.

[Razgovory]

And who is overusing the community assets?  Private individuals.  And the commons are assumed to be unregulated.  Like you know, grass or fish in the sea.  In fact the guy who coined the phrase later lamented he should have called it "The tragedy of the unregulated commons.

[Eddie Teach]

Really!