Stupid US abuse of power....

[garbon]

I see V does analogies like Mart.

[11B4V]

valdimar, do you have references?

It is so obvious that cigars sold between denmark and germany isn't an act of terror

V

I wouldnt be so sure. It should be investigated. So Germany and Danishmark are in bed with the commies????

Still not an act of terror, the only act they could breach was the Cuban embargo, but it was the terror act that was used to sieze the funds

It seems to be like authorising waterboarding for shoplifting

V

So, what's the problem.

[Valdemar]

I see V does analogies like Mart.

Must be a euro thing then 

When you are done being all patrioticly defensive let me know what your less indignant view of the case is

To me it is excessive use of force, on a matter where the given force should not even be applied, hence the waterboard to shoplifting.

It is also rather stupidly and inconsequently applied, with no real benefit for the US

V

[Valdemar]

valdimar, do you have references?

It is so obvious that cigars sold between denmark and germany isn't an act of terror

V

I wouldnt be so sure. It should be investigated. So Germany and Danishmark are in bed with the commies????

Still not an act of terror, the only act they could breach was the Cuban embargo, but it was the terror act that was used to sieze the funds

It seems to be like authorising waterboarding for shoplifting

V

So, what's the problem.

you mean apart from the man being 100k+ short on his bank account and the US withholding money they had no reason to grab? Not much

V

[11B4V]

valdimar, do you have references?

It is so obvious that cigars sold between denmark and germany isn't an act of terror

V

It was a rhetorical question.

I wouldnt be so sure. It should be investigated. So Germany and Danishmark are in bed with the commies????

Still not an act of terror, the only act they could breach was the Cuban embargo, but it was the terror act that was used to sieze the funds

It seems to be like authorising waterboarding for shoplifting

V

So, what's the problem.

you mean apart from the man being 100k+ short on his bank account and the US withholding money they had no reason to grab? Not much

V

That was a rhetorical question.

[Neil]

That's what happens when you do business in the US, whether online or in real life.  Next time you want to avoid that particular brand of idiocy, stay out of the US.  If you're looking to avoid having your money confiscated for calling champagne from California champagne, not having 50% of your board be women or having a Jewish person on your payroll, stay out of Europe.  Canada doesn't seem to like Tamils.  I'm not sure if the Japanese have any weird hangups that they'll steal all your money for, but the point is that there's a lot of idiocy in the world and that the American brand is just the most annoying.

[garbon]

I see V does analogies like Mart.

Must be a euro thing then 

When you are done being all patrioticly defensive let me know what your less indignant view of the case is

To me it is excessive use of force, on a matter where the given force should not even be applied, hence the waterboard to shoplifting.

It is also rather stupidly and inconsequently applied, with no real benefit for the US

V

You're the one who is equating this with waterboarding for shoplifters. Oh and what was that innocent remark while you weren't bashing America? Oh yeah, fat white Christians. As if Danish is the language of civilization.

[Viking]

Just to clarify the sequence of events.

A Specialty shop in denmark buys cuban cigars from distributor in germany. I buys the cigars in dollars and the transaction is intercepted by a US authorities.

Now from what I gather the US embargo on Cuba is not just an embargo on Cuba but one on Cuba and everybody who does business with Cuba. This seems to be a case of a Bank (one which does business with the USA but not Cuba) not transfering money to a company trading with Cuba. In which case I have to side with the bank against the cigar importing cop. This is naturally based on the limited info I do have. I think the cop should not be surprised that the US embargo on Cuba might apply to the bank he asked to to the money transfer.

A danish woman buys 6 saris from pakistan and was suspected of terrorism. I suspect she was suspected of funding terrorism rather than suspected of terrorism. What, if any, action was taken against her? If she was suspected and then cleared (and compensated if any injury was done) what's the issue?

My gut feeling here is that naive danes are surprised that sending money to dictatorships and terroris hotbeds in unconventional manners is considered suspicious.

[Valdemar]

I see V does analogies like Mart.

Must be a euro thing then 

When you are done being all patrioticly defensive let me know what your less indignant view of the case is

To me it is excessive use of force, on a matter where the given force should not even be applied, hence the waterboard to shoplifting.

It is also rather stupidly and inconsequently applied, with no real benefit for the US

V

You're the one who is equating this with waterboarding for shoplifters. Oh and what was that innocent remark while you weren't bashing America? Oh yeah, fat white Christians. As if Danish is the language of civilization.

Fat white christians was in reference to Caliga's post, Garbon, he called it, I used it

V

[Valdemar]

That's what happens when you do business in the US, whether online or in real life.  Next time you want to avoid that particular brand of idiocy, stay out of the US.  If you're looking to avoid having your money confiscated for calling champagne from California champagne, not having 50% of your board be women or having a Jewish person on your payroll, stay out of Europe.  Canada doesn't seem to like Tamils.  I'm not sure if the Japanese have any weird hangups that they'll steal all your money for, but the point is that there's a lot of idiocy in the world and that the American brand is just the most annoying.

The problem is Neil, he didn't do business in the US, he didn't even do business with Cuba. He had business with a German wholesaler in hamborg, but the servers for international money transfer is in the US and they used that access to stop his transfer and confiscate it

V

[Valdemar]

Just to clarify the sequence of events.

A Specialty shop in denmark buys cuban cigars from distributor in germany. I buys the cigars in dollars and the transaction is intercepted by a US authorities.

Now from what I gather the US embargo on Cuba is not just an embargo on Cuba but one on Cuba and everybody who does business with Cuba. This seems to be a case of a Bank (one which does business with the USA but not Cuba) not transfering money to a company trading with Cuba. In which case I have to side with the bank against the cigar importing cop. This is naturally based on the limited info I do have. I think the cop should not be surprised that the US embargo on Cuba might apply to the bank he asked to to the money transfer.

A danish woman buys 6 saris from pakistan and was suspected of terrorism. I suspect she was suspected of funding terrorism rather than suspected of terrorism. What, if any, action was taken against her? If she was suspected and then cleared (and compensated if any injury was done) what's the issue?

My gut feeling here is that naive danes are surprised that sending money to dictatorships and terroris hotbeds in unconventional manners is considered suspicious.

Agree on the woman, it was funding terrorism they accused her of.

Not agreeing with the cop case though. he used a very local bank, not one with international ties, no apparent reason why that should mean he would be stopped. Nor was the transaction, from what I gather in dollar, but in Euro. Could be the German bank was an international one, but then, how does the German wholesaler handle his transactions??

V

[Martim Silva]

The war on terror has seen many off handed and unexpected side effects..

And remember that, until the European Parliament put a stop to it, the US demanded that every single bank operation in Europe - including your own payments of utility bills, for example - was to be sent to the US for scrutiny for possible Terror implications.

That means that yes, for years Washington knew almost instantly everything you did with your bank account/credit card, incluing all your transactions.

[Viking]

Agree on the woman, it was funding terrorism they accused her of.

Not agreeing with the cop case though. he used a very local bank, not one with international ties, no apparent reason why that should mean he would be stopped. Nor was the transaction, from what I gather in dollar, but in Euro. Could be the German bank was an international one, but then, how does the German wholesaler handle his transactions??

V

Betalingen foregik i dollar via en dansk bank.

The transaction was in dollars. I would suspect that since the transaction happened in dollars a bank which applied the sanctions participated in the transaction. Also, the fact that he wholesaler wanted dollars suggests to me that the money was destined for cuba rather than the €uro style pockets of a Hamburg trading company.

[Neil]

That's what happens when you do business in the US, whether online or in real life.  Next time you want to avoid that particular brand of idiocy, stay out of the US.  If you're looking to avoid having your money confiscated for calling champagne from California champagne, not having 50% of your board be women or having a Jewish person on your payroll, stay out of Europe.  Canada doesn't seem to like Tamils.  I'm not sure if the Japanese have any weird hangups that they'll steal all your money for, but the point is that there's a lot of idiocy in the world and that the American brand is just the most annoying.

The problem is Neil, he didn't do business in the US, he didn't even do business with Cuba. He had business with a German wholesaler in hamborg, but the servers for international money transfer is in the US and they used that access to stop his transfer and confiscate it

V

American currency on American servers.  Sounds like Europe needs to get a non-US system together if they don't like this sort of thing.  Otherwise, their complaints are unimportant.

[garbon]

That means that yes, for years Washington knew almost instantly everything you did with your bank account/credit card, incluing all your transactions.

Unlikely. They barely can be bothered to remember things about their own citizens.