Affirmative action in college admissions likely to be struck down by Supremes

[Razgovory]

And must I bring out the Southern Strategy Quotes, again?

[DGuller]

What has changed that all the yankee republicans have moved south, turning the south into a republican stronghold, while turning the north Democrat.

Seriously?  Is this utter horseshit the best you got?

[Tonitrus]

Indeed.  What really happened is that those yankee Republicans gave birth to rebellious hippies, who have in turn, transformed into "environmentally/socially-conscious" baby boomers, who have themselves given birth to jaded, cynical Gen-X'ers, who are just now raising emo punks, hipsters and animetards.

[Hansmeister]

What has changed that all the yankee republicans have moved south, turning the south into a republican stronghold, while turning the north Democrat.

Seriously?  Is this utter horseshit the best you got?

Just look at internal migration patterns in the US, or is that too much thinking for your part?  The massive population influx into the South from the North has utterly remade the southern states.

[DGuller]

What has changed that all the yankee republicans have moved south, turning the south into a republican stronghold, while turning the north Democrat.

Seriously?  Is this utter horseshit the best you got?

Just look at internal migration patterns in the US, or is that too much thinking for your part?  The massive population influx into the South from the North has utterly remade the southern states.

Some migration obviously happened.  However, to take the leap of faith that:  1)  Migration was overwhelmingly Republican and 2) That migration was significant enough to flip the Southern states from Democrat strongholds to Republican strongholds is the kind of utterly unsupported reasoning I'm pounding on here.

[CountDeMoney]

The GOP of 1864 had some radical abolitionists in it but they were the fringe of the party.

Majority? No.  But fringe?  That's what eLearning from Beck University does to the brain.

[CountDeMoney]

What has changed that all the yankee republicans have moved south, turning the south into a republican stronghold, while turning the north Democrat.

Seriously?  Is this utter horseshit the best you got?

Just look at internal migration patterns in the US, or is that too much thinking for your part?  The massive population influx into the South from the North has utterly remade the southern states.

Some counties in North Carolina, but that still doesn't explain Pennsyltucky.

[grumbler]

Some migration obviously happened.  However, to take the leap of faith that:  1)  Migration was overwhelmingly Republican and 2) That migration was significant enough to flip the Southern states from Democrat strongholds to Republican strongholds is the kind of utterly unsupported reasoning I'm pounding on here.

Much as I hate to agree with you, you are correct to challenge the concept that today's Southern Republicans were yesterday's Norrthern republicans, rather than yesterday's Southern Democrats.  I live in a part of Virginia relatively untouched by flight from the north, and most of the people I talk to are staunch Republicans; those older than about 50 will concede to once having been staunch Democrats, before the "party abandoned them."  Election results in this area bear that out.

[Caliga]

Some counties in North Carolina, but that still doesn't explain Pennsyltucky.

Pennsyltucky = no joke.  Between Philly and Pittsburgh you've got Alabama North right there (exception: Harrisburg).

If most people on this forum heard my dad's parents speak (natives of the region), they would think them to be Southerners.

[derspiess]

It's pretty scary, actually, to see how close of a mirror image these two maps are.  It has been 150 years, and the voting blocks are still pretty much the same, only their parties flip-flopped.

You cherry-picked one election year, albeit the most recent.  Looking at the maps for the previous several presidential elections, the "voting blocks" are a bit different, save for maybe New England and New York.

It's not really cherry picking when you chose the last Presidential election.

Unless you think all future elections will be exactly like 2008, then yeah it is.

[garbon]

It's pretty scary, actually, to see how close of a mirror image these two maps are.  It has been 150 years, and the voting blocks are still pretty much the same, only their parties flip-flopped.

You cherry-picked one election year, albeit the most recent.  Looking at the maps for the previous several presidential elections, the "voting blocks" are a bit different, save for maybe New England and New York.

It's not really cherry picking when you chose the last Presidential election.

Unless you think all future elections will be exactly like 2008, then yeah it is.

I don't think cherry picking really applies as a term when you pick what is essentially the current day.  That said, yes it is important to establish that things might change from that, but it isn't inherently dishonest to compare today with the past.

[The Minsky Moment]

Raz doesn't know what he is talking about, of course.

Jimmy Carter swept every southern state but Virginia in '76.  What does that tell us? 

Never, never run an offensive lineman for President.

What has changed that all the yankee republicans have moved south, turning the south into a republican stronghold, while turning the north Democrat.

Here I was thinking all along that the core of GOP support in the South was evangelicals and descendants of the Wallace-ites that Nixon brought in; turns out it's really the hordes of millions of Thurston Howell IIIs who left Newport and Park Avenue for Pascagoula and Mobile.

[MadImmortalMan]

Never, never run an offensive lineman for President.

At least not one from that school...   

[grumbler]

Never, never run an offensive lineman for President.

At least not one from that school...   

Indeed.  Once you've been an offensive lineman for Michigan, it is hard to get excited about taking the step down to being a mere President of the United States.  Better to find a football player from any other team, for whom the move to POTUS is a step up. You'll get more energy that way.

[DontSayBanana]

Pennsyltucky = no joke.  Between Philly and Pittsburgh you've got Alabama North right there (exception: Harrisburg).

If most people on this forum heard my dad's parents speak (natives of the region), they would think them to be Southerners.

South Jersey, too.  One of the reasons the state seems so heavily divided is that the southern half of the state had a massive influx of Kentuckians after the Civil War.