Obama to block Keystone oil pipeline

[Barrister]

From my experience, there isn't a whole lot of jobs involved in building a large capacity oil pipeline.

I think the Yanks might being trying to help you Cannucks out, tearing up all of the land for tar sands is kinda short term thinking, with climate change much of that land might potentially become valuable agricultural land eventually.   

It's a forest, Mongers.  If they attempted to turn it into agricultural land, the environmentalists would engage in a campaign of terror.

Besides, there's no shortage of rich agricultural land in Alberta.

I know it's forest, but with the possibility of climate zones migrating north and south, then it to might be needed for agriculture as other countries suffer from desertification, soil erosion etc

Climate isn't the problem Mongers.  There are areas further north than Ft. McMurray that are heavily farmed.  The problem is the soil, or lack thereof.  NE Alberta is just not good farm land.

Plus, you do know they reclaim the land once their done, right?

[HVC]

Plus, you do know they reclaim the land once their done, right?

but Green Peace tells us they're left as gaping hell holes once they've scrapped out all the oil ALthough they should really work on not killing so many ducks. bad PR

Also, instead of piping our crude down, why don't we build more refineries here?

[Barrister]

Plus, you do know they reclaim the land once their done, right?

but Green Peace tells us they're left as gaping hell holes once they've scrapped out all the oil ALthough they should really work on not killing so many ducks. bad PR

Also, instead of piping our crude down, why don't we build more refineries here?

Because they'd probably want to build them in Edmonton, and this town is ugly enough as it is.

[HVC]

Plus, you do know they reclaim the land once their done, right?

but Green Peace tells us they're left as gaping hell holes once they've scrapped out all the oil ALthough they should really work on not killing so many ducks. bad PR

Also, instead of piping our crude down, why don't we build more refineries here?

Because they'd probably want to build them in Edmonton, and this town is ugly enough as it is.

Building them in manitoba. if you plaster jets logo's on the refineries i'm sure the whol province  will be ok with it

[Admiral Yi]

Also, instead of piping our crude down, why don't we build more refineries here?

I think you want to build refineries close to your final demand, or a place from which it is easily transportable, like the sea.  Not in the middle of nowhere.

[Grey Fox]

Building refineries? I don't think that's possible on our continent anymore.

[HVC]

Also, instead of piping our crude down, why don't we build more refineries here?

I think you want to build refineries close to your final demand, or a place from which it is easily transportable, like the sea.  Not in the middle of nowhere.

Manitoba was a joke, but what about BC? that opens a trading possibility to asia.

[Admiral Yi]

Manitoba was a joke, but what about BC? that opens a trading possibility to asia.

Too anarchic.  A refinery would be under constant assault from drug crazed hippy leftists.

[grumbler]

Manitoba was a joke, but what about BC? that opens a trading possibility to asia.

It would probably still be a lot cheaper and faster to build the pipeline to the US Gulf Coast than to build the pipeline to BC and then built a metric fuckton of refineries.

[Admiral Yi]

How about a pipeline to Lake Michigan?

Or do I mean Superior?

[Barrister]

Manitoba was a joke, but what about BC? that opens a trading possibility to asia.

It would probably still be a lot cheaper and faster to build the pipeline to the US Gulf Coast than to build the pipeline to BC and then built a metric fuckton of refineries.

Except that's pretty much TCPL's Plan B - they're already working on a pipeline to BC.

I don't think they're building refineries though - they'll just ship unrefined crude to asia.

[grumbler]

Except that's pretty much TCPL's Plan B - they're already working on a pipeline to BC.

I don't think they're building refineries though - they'll just ship unrefined crude to asia.

They were working on the pipeline regardless of the status of Keystone.  The two pipelines are not at all exclusive.  It is possible, though, that much of the additional Canadian production over what they produce now will have to go to Asia if Keystone isn't built, rather than simply having the option.  Certainly they need some sort of pipeline because the high cost of extraction already leaves canada set up for a commodity crash, and high transport costs for expensive crude simply compounds the vulnerability.

I suppose it does make more sense for Canada to export crude and leave the big value-added steps of the petro cycle for the more advanced countries, who can do it efficiently.

[Barrister]

I suppose it does make more sense for Canada to export crude and leave the big value-added steps of the petro cycle for the more advanced countries, who can do it efficiently.

It only makes "sense" in that refining oil is a dirty job (and CO2 intensive) and thus it is politically easier to let the Chinese do it - we already get a ton of flack for extracting the stuff in the first place.  BUt economically of course it makes no sense whatsoever.

[KRonn]

The US needs the oil, and it's obviously a much better idea to get it from Canada than from Venezuela or the Mid East. I don't understand the opposition to an additional pipeline. We can't make the entire US an enviro haven. Canada will produce the oil regardless of what we do, and just sell it elsewhere. I'm sure part of this is the angst felt by enviros and others who have some idea that we need to wean ourselves off of oil and this is somehow helpful in that cause. But it will likely do nothing of the sort while we have to continue imports from less stable/friendly nations.

[Phillip V]

First Obama 2012 ad released... bragging about energy.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sq3GGwgV7R0