Game of Thrones and old english

[Valmy]

It tends to happen for people not raised in anglo-saxon education system.

Nobody has been raised under this system in over 900 years.  No wonder there is so much ignorance.

[Syt]

One-and-twenty

The double digits are still done like that in German:

Einundzwanzig.

Though I don't think anyone would consider "breakfast" as "Fastenbrechen" (breaking one's fasting) - it's "Frühstück", i.e. "early/morning piece (of bread)".

[Richard Hakluyt]

Searching on "one-and-twenty" I find poems by Samuel Johnson, Robert Burns and A E Housman that use the expression.

Then there is always the nursery rhyme :

"    Sing a song of sixpence,
    A pocket full of rye.
    Four and twenty blackbirds,
    Baked in a pie.

     ......."

[viper37]

It tends to happen for people not raised in anglo-saxon education system.

Nobody has been raised under this system in over 900 years.  No wonder there is so much ignorance.

yet, I was just reading a piece this morning about "the anglo-saxon world outside of Quebec".  Surely, these people did not mean England 900 years ago?  I can't believe they invented a time machine and I don't know about it!

[viper37]

@Syt:
thanks

@Richard:
Was this simply poetry (it sounded better that way in the context), or was it reflective of the way ordinary people talked in the 19th century?

[grumbler]

yet, I was just reading a piece this morning about "the anglo-saxon world outside of Quebec".  Surely, these people did not mean England 900 years ago?  I can't believe they invented a time machine and I don't know about it!

Sounds like some ignorant writers.  The Anglo-Saxon world ended with the Conquest (at the latest).  Quebec did not then exist, so there never was an "anglo-saxon world outside of Quebec."

[Sheilbh]

It tends to happen for people not raised in anglo-saxon education system.

Nobody has been raised under this system in over 900 years.  No wonder there is so much ignorance.

Another example of Norman vandalism

[viper37]

Sounds like some ignorant writers.  The Anglo-Saxon world ended with the Conquest (at the latest).  Quebec did not then exist, so there never was an "anglo-saxon world outside of Quebec."

I don't know if you're serious... but the anglo-saxon world is the usual term used to describe the US, Canada, Great Britain and other predominantly english speaking countries with a capitalist system.  Just as when the French speaks of "anglo-saxon rating agencies", they look at corporations like Standard&Poors or Moody's, not the people who criticized Longshanks' leadership

[Valmy]

I don't know if you're serious... but the anglo-saxon world is the usual term used to describe the US, Canada, Great Britain and other predominantly english speaking countries with a capitalist system.  Just as when the French speaks of "anglo-saxon rating agencies", they look at corporations like Standard&Poors or Moody's, not the people who criticized Longshanks' leadership

Ok I was making fun of you for precisely this reason.

The modern use of this term is always tinged a bit negative and has its roots in 19th century ethno-nationalism (our pure Celtic-Scandinavian-German-Roman blood blah blah).

But for godsake man Longshanks was a Anglo-Frenchie, a French speaking descendent of the Dukes of Anjou.

[crazy canuck]

Its been a long time since I have heard someone described as a WASP.  But I suppose those kinds of descriptions have their uses within some circles in Quebec.

[grumbler]

I don't know if you're serious... but the anglo-saxon world is the usual term used to describe the US, Canada, Great Britain and other predominantly english speaking countries with a capitalist system.  Just as when the French speaks of "anglo-saxon rating agencies", they look at corporations like Standard&Poors or Moody's, not the people who criticized Longshanks' leadership

Not serious.  A bit ironic, but it was a throwaway post, not a real argument.  If you refer to Anglo-Saxon, I know what you mean, and ditto the writers. It's just shorthand, and not meant literally.

[Josquius]

I was just thinking this morning...Is there a difference in terminology between old English and Old English?
I was thinking that the latter is the actual damn near impossible to read language. old English meanwhile....well that is Shakespeare or even Tolkein or what have you, just English which is old.

[Sophie Scholl]

I prefer Colt 45 myself.  Olde English is acceptable in a pinch I guess.

[viper37]

But for godsake man Longshanks was a Anglo-Frenchie, a French speaking descendent of the Dukes of Anjou.

But he's the embodiment of the English King, along with Arthur.  Most of England's greatest kings weren't really English (as we'd define it today), I suppose.  Wasn't it around the War of the Roses that French was totally abandonned in favour of English along the nobility?

[viper37]

Its been a long time since I have heard someone described as a WASP.  But I suppose those kinds of descriptions have their uses within some circles in Quebec outside of the US & Canada.

fixed your post

If we're serious though, the terme "WASP" is not really used outside historians and maybe neo-nazis too.  Only the two middle letters, since religion and colour aren't that important anymore.