Salvatore Montagna shot dead in Montreal

[viper37]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salvatore_Montagna#Death

He was the acting Boss of the Bonanno family, recently [1-2 years ago] deported to Canada by US authorities.

[Malthus]

Seems like an occupational hazard ...

[Josephus]

Your name is Salvatore Montagna...you killed many people...prepare to die.

[Siege]

Your name is Salvatore Montagna...you killed many people...prepare to die.

Nah. Professional hitmen only speak in the movies.

[Razgovory]

Your name is Salvatore Montagna...you killed many people...prepare to die.

Nah. Professional hitmen only speak in the movies.

How many professional hitmen do you know?

[CountDeMoney]

Your name is Salvatore Montagna...you killed many people...prepare to die.

Nah. Professional hitmen only speak in the movies.

How many professional hitmen do you know?

"It's an old Israeli message.  It means Abdullah Mohammed is now sleeping with the goats in a well."

[Siege]

Your name is Salvatore Montagna...you killed many people...prepare to die.

Nah. Professional hitmen only speak in the movies.

How many professional hitmen do you know?

Ok, you win.
I dont' know any.

You see, I got another virtue.

[viper37]

Apparently, he's the one suspected of killing Nick Rizzuto last year.  That family ain't yet dead, possibly, and took its revenge.  Either that, or one of the other 3 contenders to the throne got rid of him.  Desjardins, one of his long time associate was also targetted earlier this year.

Here's the text on Sal's death:
http://bitterqueen.typepad.com/friends_of_ours/

[viper37]

Interesting.  Police arrested the suspects of this murder a couple of weeks ago.  Now, we learn they manage to intercept their Blackberry communications; somehow, the criminals believed Blackberry to be 100% secure and used it for their criminal activity.  The RCMP was involved, but they won't say if they cracked Blackberry's messenger system of if they got a warrant to seize computer material from RIM.

I suspect they cracked RIM's code.  The Italian mafia, the last of RIM's customers are apparently losing faith in the company now

French text

[Malthus]

Interesting.  Police arrested the suspects of this murder a couple of weeks ago.  Now, we learn they manage to intercept their Blackberry communications; somehow, the criminals believed Blackberry to be 100% secure and used it for their criminal activity.  The RCMP was involved, but they won't say if they cracked Blackberry's messenger system of if they got a warrant to seize computer material from RIM.

I suspect they cracked RIM's code.  The Italian mafia, the last of RIM's customers are apparently losing faith in the company now

French text

What they probably did was serve a warrant on RIM and ask them to track/intercept the messages. This is standard operating procedure and ought to have come as no surprise by the Mafia.

The battles over RIM security are mostly caused by RIM insisting on court-authorized warrants for such snooping, and a wide variety of nasty state goons insisting they get to snoop without warrants.

RIM's system is quite secure - except of course from RIM.

[The Brain]

Why do parents give their kids mob names?

[viper37]

Why do parents give their kids mob names?

because they were born in Italy?

[viper37]

The battles over RIM security are mostly caused by RIM insisting on court-authorized warrants for such snooping, and a wide variety of nasty state goons insisting they get to snoop without warrants.

ah, that's the thing

I just tought dumb of the mafia to trust any kind of electronic system.  Encrypted or not, it leaves traces.  I thought they learn this with their cellphones when they tought no one could snoop on it like a landline.

[Malthus]

The battles over RIM security are mostly caused by RIM insisting on court-authorized warrants for such snooping, and a wide variety of nasty state goons insisting they get to snoop without warrants.

ah, that's the thing

I just tought dumb of the mafia to trust any kind of electronic system.  Encrypted or not, it leaves traces.  I thought they learn this with their cellphones when they tought no one could snoop on it like a landline.

There are systems on which it is very difficult to snoop, like so-called PIN to PIN messanging. However, difficult isn't the same as impossible - and if served a warrant, RIM can indeed snoop on PIN to PIN.

http://crackberry.com/pin-pin-messaging-secure

if served with a warrant RIM will provide the plain text of your PIN messages.

Bottom line, if you're not on a BES treat your BlackBerry like it is Facebook and assume nothing is private. If you are on a BES and send and receive email within your company it is secure, all other communications can be seen by others.

.. and of course the cops can tap into any BES with a warrant.

In conclusion: nothing is truly "secure" from the authorities if they are really motivated except emails actually encrypted with hard crypto - which is sort of useless for instant messenging.