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Started by jimmy olsen, December 21, 2011, 12:00:39 AM

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Razgovory

#30
December 21, 2011, 07:11:54 AM
Quote from: Solmyr on December 21, 2011, 06:23:29 AM
The only way the Hobbit is a kids' story is because of the writing style, which does not apply in a movie since it uses pictures instead of words. The actual story is no less badass than LotR.

The Hobbit is closer to a fairy tale then the Lord of the Rings.  Motifs seen in fairy tales are more prominent then in LOTR which uses the motifs of an epic more.  Things like giants who plan to cook and eat smaller people and the use of trickery to defeat them or the riddle contest.  The dwarves of the Hobbit are semi-ridiculous figures, who are saved by the common sense type hero who finds an item that gives him great power.
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Solmyr

#31
December 21, 2011, 08:24:09 AM
True, but fairy tales and kids' stories are not necessarily one and the same.

Razgovory

#32
December 21, 2011, 08:33:30 AM
Quote from: Solmyr on December 21, 2011, 08:24:09 AM
True, but fairy tales and kids' stories are not necessarily one and the same.

I agree (and I think Mr. Tolkien would have agreed as well).  He covered this topic in an essay on "Fairy Stories" Many fairy tales are actually quite dark and have had elements taken out of them to make them acceptable to children.  I don't quite understand this actually.  When I was a boy I was interested in stories of blood and guts, and I don't think I was alone.  I suspect children would be more interested in reading if they were allowed to read things that interested in them.  I digress.  Fairy tales have been presented as a children's medium for a long time now and the Hobbit was written as a children's story.  I imagine the film will not be directed mostly toward children though, and will be rated PG-13.
I've given it serious thought. I must scorn the ways of my family, and seek a Japanese woman to yield me my progeny. He shall live in the lands of the east, and be well tutored in his sacred trust to weave the best traditions of Japan and the Sacred South together, until such time as he (or, indeed his house, which will periodically require infusion of both Southern and Japanese bloodlines of note) can deliver to the South it's independence, either in this world or in space.  -Lettow April of 2011

Raz is right. -MadImmortalMan March of 2017

garbon

#33
December 21, 2011, 08:45:44 AM
Quote from: Razgovory on December 21, 2011, 08:33:30 AM
Many fairy tales are actually quite dark and have had elements taken out of them to make them acceptable to children.  I don't quite understand this actually.  When I was a boy I was interested in stories of blood and guts, and I don't think I was alone.  I suspect children would be more interested in reading if they were allowed to read things that interested in them. 

What interests children is blood and guts? :huh:

Anyway, I watched that trailer and it didn't seem any more kid-like than the other films.
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Razgovory

#34
December 21, 2011, 08:46:28 AM
Straight little boys.
I've given it serious thought. I must scorn the ways of my family, and seek a Japanese woman to yield me my progeny. He shall live in the lands of the east, and be well tutored in his sacred trust to weave the best traditions of Japan and the Sacred South together, until such time as he (or, indeed his house, which will periodically require infusion of both Southern and Japanese bloodlines of note) can deliver to the South it's independence, either in this world or in space.  -Lettow April of 2011

Raz is right. -MadImmortalMan March of 2017

Darth Wagtaros

#35
December 21, 2011, 08:47:00 AM
Tainted. :(
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garbon

#36
December 21, 2011, 08:52:36 AM
"I've never been quite sure what the point of a eunuch is, if truth be told. It seems to me they're only men with the useful bits cut off."
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Josquius

#37
December 21, 2011, 09:07:44 AM
Quote from: Gups on December 21, 2011, 06:41:13 AM
Quote from: Tyr on December 21, 2011, 06:02:49 AM

Though I must say the trailer does look like they're trying to adult it up in parts, trying to lord of the ringsise it a bit. At the core though it does remain a kids story.

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That was pretty standard slang :huh:
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Darth Wagtaros

#38
December 21, 2011, 09:17:28 AM
Quote from: Tyr on December 21, 2011, 09:07:44 AM
Quote from: Gups on December 21, 2011, 06:41:13 AM
Quote from: Tyr on December 21, 2011, 06:02:49 AM

Though I must say the trailer does look like they're trying to adult it up in parts, trying to lord of the ringsise it a bit. At the core though it does remain a kids story.

:cry: :x
That was pretty standard slang :huh:
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Ed Anger

#39
December 21, 2011, 09:29:27 AM
Bleh.
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Berkut

#40
December 21, 2011, 02:29:10 PM
Can Jackson do dwarves that are not just the punchline for sophomoric jokes though?

The trailer is not encouraging in that regard.
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garbon

#41
December 21, 2011, 02:53:32 PM
Quote from: Berkut on December 21, 2011, 02:29:10 PM
Can Jackson do dwarves that are not just the punchline for sophomoric jokes though?

The trailer is not encouraging in that regard.

Quote from: jimmy olsen on December 21, 2011, 01:04:15 AM
Also, the dwarves singing sounded way more badass then I ever imagined!
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Valmy

#42
December 21, 2011, 03:14:43 PM
Quote from: Berkut on December 21, 2011, 02:29:10 PM
Can Jackson do dwarves that are not just the punchline for sophomoric jokes though?

The trailer is not encouraging in that regard.

While there was plenty of that in LOTR I didn't think Gimli was just a punchline.  He certainly had his dignity as a fightin', drinkin', gold diggin' dwarf.

It may have been a long time since you read the Hobbit but Tolkien uses the dwarves for alot of the comic relief in the book.  Even the very dignified Thorin Oakshield.
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Maximus

#43
December 21, 2011, 03:45:22 PM
Yea I would say Jackson already used the Hobbit dwarves in LOTR. A shame.

Syt

#44
December 21, 2011, 03:53:54 PM
Quote from: Maximus on December 21, 2011, 03:45:22 PM
Yea I would say Jackson already used the Hobbit D&D dwarves in LOTR. A shame.

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