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PDH

#3345
April 15, 2012, 10:45:59 AM
Apologizing is bad.  It means one might have to either take responsibility for actions or to actually have done something bad.  It also involves icky feelings.
I have come to believe that the whole world is an enigma, a harmless enigma that is made terrible by our own mad attempt to interpret it as though it had an underlying truth.
-Umberto Eco

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"I'm pretty sure my level of depression has nothing to do with how much of a fucking asshole you are."

-CdM

Berkut

#3346
April 15, 2012, 11:26:09 AM
Quote from: PDH on April 15, 2012, 10:45:59 AM
Apologizing is bad.  It means one might have to either take responsibility for actions or to actually have done something bad.  It also involves icky feelings.

It isn't a question of whether it is bad or not, it is a question of whether it makes for effective politics to try to paint Obama as some kind of crypto-Euro running around apologizing for America.

Personally, I don't really get it - the only people who will swallow something like that are people who think Obama is out to get their guns, and probably isn't actually an American, and might even be a Muslim. They are already pretty well locked up in the "Anyone but Obama" camp, so I am not sure who this line of attack is trying to appeal to...
"If you think this has a happy ending, then you haven't been paying attention."

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Caliga

#3347
April 15, 2012, 11:30:02 AM
Quote from: Berkut on April 15, 2012, 11:26:09 AM
Personally, I don't really get it - the only people who will swallow something like that are people who think Obama is out to get their guns, and probably isn't actually an American, and might even be a Muslim a nigger. They are already pretty well locked up in the "Anyone but Obama" camp, so I am not sure who this line of attack is trying to appeal to...
Fixed.  :)
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Eddie Teach

#3348
April 15, 2012, 11:38:16 AM
Quote from: Caliga on April 15, 2012, 11:30:02 AM
Quote from: Berkut on April 15, 2012, 11:26:09 AM
Personally, I don't really get it - the only people who will swallow something like that are people who think Obama is out to get their guns, and probably isn't actually an American, and might even be a Muslim a nigger. They are already pretty well locked up in the "Anyone but Obama" camp, so I am not sure who this line of attack is trying to appeal to...
Fixed.  :)

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Razgovory

#3349
April 15, 2012, 11:47:04 AM
Well he is correct.  That is the root of the "Obama is a Muslim" type thing.
I've given it serious thought. I must scorn the ways of my family, and seek a Japanese woman to yield me my progeny. He shall live in the lands of the east, and be well tutored in his sacred trust to weave the best traditions of Japan and the Sacred South together, until such time as he (or, indeed his house, which will periodically require infusion of both Southern and Japanese bloodlines of note) can deliver to the South it's independence, either in this world or in space.  -Lettow April of 2011

Raz is right. -MadImmortalMan March of 2017

Caliga

#3350
April 15, 2012, 11:50:06 AM
That was my point. :yes:
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Viking

#3351
April 15, 2012, 11:52:00 AM
Just watched Game Change. A big case of ego massage as it confirms my view that

Clinton > McCain > Obama

Obama+Biden >>>>>>> McCain+Palin
First Maxim - "There are only two amounts, too few and enough."
First Corollary - "You cannot have too many soldiers, only too few supplies."
Second Maxim - "Be willing to exchange a bad idea for a good one."
Second Corollary - "You can only be wrong or agree with me."

A terrorist which starts a slaughter quoting Locke, Burke and Mill has completely missed the point.
The fact remains that the only person or group to applaud the Norway massacre are random Islamists.

Berkut

#3352
April 15, 2012, 12:03:14 PM
Nearly anyone + Nearly anyone else >>>>>>>>>>> Just about anyone+Sarah Palin.
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Sheilbh

#3353
April 15, 2012, 12:17:41 PM
Quote from: Berkut on April 15, 2012, 11:26:09 AMPersonally, I don't really get it - the only people who will swallow something like that are people who think Obama is out to get their guns, and probably isn't actually an American, and might even be a Muslim. They are already pretty well locked up in the "Anyone but Obama" camp, so I am not sure who this line of attack is trying to appeal to...
This is my point.  It works for the base.  Everyone else, like independent voters, don't recognise that characterisation of Obama.  He's not a crypto-Euro touring the world 'apologising for America'.  In my opinion it also seems so strong a line that it damages Romney's credibility.  This is why he should work on a better, more nuanced attack in foreign policy.
Let's bomb Russia!

PDH

#3354
April 15, 2012, 12:19:49 PM
Quote from: Berkut on April 15, 2012, 11:26:09 AM
It isn't a question of whether it is bad or not, it is a question of whether it makes for effective politics to try to paint Obama as some kind of crypto-Euro running around apologizing for America.

Sure it's bad.  Politics has become the personal on the large stage.
I have come to believe that the whole world is an enigma, a harmless enigma that is made terrible by our own mad attempt to interpret it as though it had an underlying truth.
-Umberto Eco

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"I'm pretty sure my level of depression has nothing to do with how much of a fucking asshole you are."

-CdM

Razgovory

#3355
April 15, 2012, 12:25:15 PM
Quote from: Berkut on April 15, 2012, 12:03:14 PM
Nearly anyone + Nearly anyone else >>>>>>>>>>> Just about anyone+Sarah Palin.

I actually liked McCain.  I didn't think he was right in 2008 though.  2000, sure.   Sarah Palin is worse then useless, though.  Well not totally.  She got Katmai that job.
I've given it serious thought. I must scorn the ways of my family, and seek a Japanese woman to yield me my progeny. He shall live in the lands of the east, and be well tutored in his sacred trust to weave the best traditions of Japan and the Sacred South together, until such time as he (or, indeed his house, which will periodically require infusion of both Southern and Japanese bloodlines of note) can deliver to the South it's independence, either in this world or in space.  -Lettow April of 2011

Raz is right. -MadImmortalMan March of 2017

Eddie Teach

#3356
April 15, 2012, 12:31:41 PM
Quote from: Razgovory on April 15, 2012, 12:25:15 PM
I actually liked McCain.  I didn't think he was right in 2008 though.  2000, sure.   Sarah Palin is worse then useless, though.  Well not totally.  She got Katmai that job.

Dude, why don't you believe him when he says he's never done porn? :unsure:
To sleep, perchance to dream. But in that sleep of death, what dreams may come?

Sheilbh

#3357
April 15, 2012, 12:35:51 PM
I think McCain's doing better and more important work as a Senator though.  Him and Graham have, admirably, actually followed through on their neo-conservative belief in Arab democracy - most other Republicans actually seem disappointed if it doesn't involve bombing someone. 

They've led the way in engaging with the Muslim Brotherhood in trips to Egypt and as the Brothers guides in Washington.  It's really important stuff that I'm glad is being led by Republicans and that probably couldn't be done from the White House.

Like McCain's lead on banning torture this is him at his best.
Let's bomb Russia!

Razgovory

#3358
April 15, 2012, 12:43:04 PM
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on April 15, 2012, 12:31:41 PM
Quote from: Razgovory on April 15, 2012, 12:25:15 PM
I actually liked McCain.  I didn't think he was right in 2008 though.  2000, sure.   Sarah Palin is worse then useless, though.  Well not totally.  She got Katmai that job.

Dude, why don't you believe him when he says he's never done porn? :unsure:

McCain never said he didn't do porn.
I've given it serious thought. I must scorn the ways of my family, and seek a Japanese woman to yield me my progeny. He shall live in the lands of the east, and be well tutored in his sacred trust to weave the best traditions of Japan and the Sacred South together, until such time as he (or, indeed his house, which will periodically require infusion of both Southern and Japanese bloodlines of note) can deliver to the South it's independence, either in this world or in space.  -Lettow April of 2011

Raz is right. -MadImmortalMan March of 2017

Neil

#3359
April 15, 2012, 12:55:40 PM
Quote from: Viking on April 15, 2012, 11:52:00 AM
Just watched Game Change. A big case of ego massage as it confirms my view that

Clinton > McCain > Obama

Obama+Biden >>>>>>> McCain+Palin
Except McCain didn't die, so it turns out you were wrong.
I do not hate you, nor do I love you, but you are made out of atoms which I can use for something else.
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