GOP Primary Megathread!

[Maximus]

I suspect, from what I know of you, that you consider yourself a good citizen and are loyal to your country.

I also suspect that you value liberty.

I am curious, then, how you reconcile those values with your claimed disregard for the liberty of your fellow citizens.

[derspiess]

I suspect, from what I know of you, that you consider yourself a good citizen and are loyal to your country.

I also suspect that you value liberty.

I am curious, then, how you reconcile those values with your claimed disregard for the liberty of your fellow citizens.

I don't disregard the liberty of my fellow citizens.

[mongers]

So it's over, you guys have finally chosen the guy who you want to lose to Obama.

[Maximus]

I suspect, from what I know of you, that you consider yourself a good citizen and are loyal to your country.

I also suspect that you value liberty.

I am curious, then, how you reconcile those values with your claimed disregard for the liberty of your fellow citizens.

I don't disregard the liberty of my fellow citizens.

So you do care about laws that don't affect you but affect your fellow citizens?

[derspiess]

I suspect, from what I know of you, that you consider yourself a good citizen and are loyal to your country.

I also suspect that you value liberty.

I am curious, then, how you reconcile those values with your claimed disregard for the liberty of your fellow citizens.

I don't disregard the liberty of my fellow citizens.

So you do care about laws that don't affect you but affect your fellow citizens?

Sure, some of them.  Don't have the time nor the attention span to worry about all of them.  Is there a point to your line of questioning, counselor?

[Maximus]

Sure, some of them.  Don't have the time nor the attention span to worry about all of them.  Is there a point to your line of questioning, counselor?

You seemed to be saying that you didn't care about laws that affect people in another state because they don't affect you. That seemed bizarre, so I was try to find out if it was indeed the case.

[derspiess]

You seemed to be saying that you didn't care about laws that affect people in another state because they don't affect you. That seemed bizarre, so I was try to find out if it was indeed the case.

Well, I'll clue you in on something.  There is a lot going on in places far (or relatively far) from me that I don't care about.  Laws get passed in California that I probably wouldn't agree with.  Am I supposed to get all worked up about them as well?

Now if the ultrasound thing were legislation here in Ohio I'd probably give it some thought, read up on it, and form an opinion.  I might email my state senator/representative to voice my opinion on the matter.  And depending on how they vote, I'd factor that in to whether I vote for them in the next election or primary.

Or if this were such a grave issue in Virginia, where women were being pulled over at random & systematically beaten by the state, I'd probably care.  But a situation where women in some other state having an abortion might be being inconvenienced by an additional preliminary procedure doesn't register too high on my "Give A Shit" meter. 

It's possible I could oppose such a law in Ohio.  Or I suppose it's possible I could even support such a law.  But unless that comes to pass, I'll remain ambivalent.  Frankly, the reaction I'm getting from you guys here makes me even more determined not to hold an opinion

[Berkut]

  Frankly, the reaction I'm getting from you guys here makes me even more determined not to hold an opinion

Yeah, I can certainly see that coming through...which of course makes me that much more convinced you don't hold many (any?) opinions based on actual principle really.

Which is fine, you are in good company. Very few people actually even understand the concept of a principle, much less allow them to get in the way of their cherished allegiances.

[Jacob]

Which is fine, you are in good company. Very few people actually even understand the concept of a principle, much less allow them to get in the way of their cherished allegiances.

Not to derail your fruitful line of discussion with derspiess, but who on languish do you think hold some semblance of principles?

[derspiess]

  Frankly, the reaction I'm getting from you guys here makes me even more determined not to hold an opinion

Yeah, I can certainly see that coming through...which of course makes me that much more convinced you don't hold many (any?) opinions based on actual principle really.

Which is fine, you are in good company. Very few people actually even understand the concept of a principle, much less allow them to get in the way of their cherished allegiances.

Well, I guess we're extra lucky to have you here in all your principled self-righteousness.

[katmai]

Which is fine, you are in good company. Very few people actually even understand the concept of a principle, much less allow them to get in the way of their cherished allegiances.

Not to derail your fruitful line of discussion with derspiess, but who on languish do you think hold some semblance of principles?

[garbon]

What are principles but signs of weakness?

[Berkut]

Which is fine, you are in good company. Very few people actually even understand the concept of a principle, much less allow them to get in the way of their cherished allegiances.

Not to derail your fruitful line of discussion with derspiess, but who on languish do you think hold some semblance of principles?

grumbler, you, CC, Marty (in certains contexts, not at all in others), Yi, garbon, Shelf, Oex. I am sure there are plenty I am missing, so if I didn't mention you that doesn't really mean much.

[Berkut]

  Frankly, the reaction I'm getting from you guys here makes me even more determined not to hold an opinion

Yeah, I can certainly see that coming through...which of course makes me that much more convinced you don't hold many (any?) opinions based on actual principle really.

Which is fine, you are in good company. Very few people actually even understand the concept of a principle, much less allow them to get in the way of their cherished allegiances.

Well, I guess we're extra lucky to have you here in all your principled self-righteousness.

We aren't talking about me though.

[Razgovory]

What are principles but signs of weakness?

He's talking about cowardice.  He revels in it.