Sweden to ban bestiality

[Barrister]

If the latter, then it's also hardly surprising since neither Yi nor Sheilbh is middle class (Yi is lower class, Sheilbh is upper class).

I'm pretty sure Sheilbh has discussed a fairly modest upbringing, while Yi certainly was exposed to upper class society working at the IMF.

[The Brain]

The callousness with which our lawmakers hand out death sentences to people's sex lives is disturbing. A fellow human who is attracted to animals, maybe even mostly/exclusively to animals, should be verboten from having sex because somewhere some completely different animals were treated cruelly (which was already against the law anyway)? Their lack of empathy is astounding. And to add insult to injury they actually think that they care and are being nice. When you put animals so much higher than humans you have lost your way.

[DGuller]

I guess you can still have your sex life, you just have to make sure that your partner doesn't squeal on you.

[The Brain]

I guess you can still have your sex life, you just have to make sure that your partner doesn't squeal on you.

[Ideologue]

It wasn't the R. v. J.D. thing, was it?  (You may've missed my edit.)  If not, tell me more.

As for the assertion that Joe Blow wouldn't equate the two, I concede that a pornographically edited version might make them pretty uncomfortable, but a more complete document (negotation beforehand, processing afterward, although I guess this might depend on a lot of other factors) would probably be enough to convince a genuine skeptic that it's weird but harmless (or at least free and unworthy of government attention).

Of course, I'm assuming a genuine skeptic, and not someone who wants to outlaw everything they don't personally enjoy.  The only solution for those folks is camps.

On the other hand, I'm biased, as I really like the BDSM approach even if I'm rather agnostic to BDSM itself.

No it was a Swedish court. It was clear that there was consent, the chick didn't want the guy to be charged and never claimed rape.

Bizarre.  How did it even come up?  They released a video?

Band camp or death camp btw?

I feel that labels get in the way of the work.

When you put animals so much higher than humans you have lost your way.

I dunno.  Animals have never hurt me.  Humans are clearly the enemy.

[The Brain]

Bizarre.  How did it even come up?  They released a video?

Chick's relatives saw her bruised and shit and called the cops. An incompetent chick prosecutor on a power trip did the rest.

[Capetan Mihali]

I was living in Phila. when Michael Vick got done with his 18 months in Leavenworth and the amount of signage (usually in storefronts) decrying his reentry into his career in society (professional football player) was amazing.  The gist of the (white, middle-class) consensus was that his crime was so horrendous that he should never be able to participate in civil life again.

Man why does everybody hate the middle class so much?  I guess people should be happy it is dissappearing.

Man why does everybody hate the use descriptive social class terms?     I certainly don't hate the middle-class, and I don't think my impressions of Michael Vick's arrival in Philadelphia displays any hatred towards the middle-class or white people. 

It seemed very clear at the time that the general attitudes split largely along racial and class lines.  Black people in, say, North Philadelphia (where they had that celebratory mural of Vick choking a puppy on the side of an auto-body shop) or working-class white people from the city/inner suburbs seemed to have a very different reaction to his crime and his return than did the owners of Center City boutiques or white Main Line residents.

But if you an Malthus want to have a good old-fashioned strawman to do your own "sneering" at, by all means go ahead.   

[Ideologue]

where they had that celebratory mural of Vick choking a puppy on the side of an auto-body shop

And the list of people I would run over with a tank keeps growing.

[jimmy olsen]

where they had that celebratory mural of Vick choking a puppy on the side of an auto-body shop

And the list of people I would run over with a tank keeps growing.

[Eddie Teach]

I'm pretty sure Sheilbh has discussed a fairly modest upbringing,

Gap year in Brazil?

[Valmy]

Man why does everybody hate the use descriptive social class terms?     I certainly don't hate the middle-class, and I don't think my impressions of Michael Vick's arrival in Philadelphia displays any hatred towards the middle-class or white people.

Sorry, the tone of your original post seemed to be pretty contemptouos.  I was just wondering why the Middle Class seems to be hammered so much around here.  Especially since everybody seems so worried about preserving it.

[viper37]

The callousness with which our lawmakers hand out death sentences to people's sex lives is disturbing. A fellow human who is attracted to animals, maybe even mostly/exclusively to animals, should be verboten from having sex because somewhere some completely different animals were treated cruelly (which was already against the law anyway)? Their lack of empathy is astounding. And to add insult to injury they actually think that they care and are being nice. When you put animals so much higher than humans you have lost your way.

wich is why it's silly to forbid bestiality.  One might as well forbid homosexuality on the account there's homosexual rapes in prisons.

If people are happy with a horse, a mailbox, a plant, whatever, who am I to judge?  From what I've read in the newspapers, a man having sex with a horse is endangering himself, not the horse.  So what if he dies?  Why should we care?

[Malthus]

But if you an Malthus want to have a good old-fashioned strawman to do your own "sneering" at, by all means go ahead.   

I would never be so bourgeois as to sneer at a strawman. 

[Sheilbh]

If the latter, then it's also hardly surprising since neither Yi nor Sheilbh is middle class (Yi is lower class, Sheilbh is upper class).

I'm pretty sure Sheilbh has discussed a fairly modest upbringing, while Yi certainly was exposed to upper class society working at the IMF.

I'm hardly upper class.  No titles, no land, no public school tie.  My family are middle class-ish, but they were lower down the scale when I was a kid, plus my parents are both from resolutely working class backgrounds which sort-of shapes outlook.  Now I'm trying to claw my way into the professional upper-middle class.

Gap year in Brazil?

Mainly Argentina

My brother gave me some money for that, but most of the money for that was what I saved from working in a shop.

[Ideologue]

Now I'm trying to claw my way into the professional upper-middle class.

And maybe you can do this in England.  Who knows?