Sweden to ban bestiality

[Eddie Teach]

I'm actually a bit curious of what would happen if we released penguins in the arctic and polar bears in the antarctic.

Destruction of all life on earth, most likely.

[Malthus]

Eriksson also argued for the registration of all cats and the banning of large animals like sea lions and elephants in circus performances.

Lame.

What does he think will happen to those animals? Released into the utopian wilds of Scandinavia?

I'm actually a bit curious of what would happen if we released penguins in the arctic and polar bears in the antarctic.

Well, these days you will no longer get penguin hookers in Sweden, evidently.

[Viking]

I'm actually a bit curious of what would happen if we released penguins in the arctic and polar bears in the antarctic.

Destruction of penguin life on earth, most likely.

fyp

also, Polar Bears gaining better dress sense.

[HVC]

are there seals and other large sea life in the antarctic? if not then the polar bears would probably starve.

[Solmyr]

The Muslims are taking over 

How so? Isn't goat fucking part of their cultural heritage?

[Eddie Teach]

Destruction of penguin life on earth, most likely.

Merely the first step.

[Neil]

are there seals and other large sea life in the antarctic?

Yes, there are seals.  There are also penguins.

[Viking]

are there seals and other large sea life in the antarctic? if not then the polar bears would probably starve.

Yes, there are seals, but there are also no land predators.. which might be detrimental to penguins, should they be introduced.
But note, there are no leopard seals or any equivalent predator... but then again there are no penguins.

[Razgovory]

There are Auks aren't there?  They seem to fill the same roll as Penguins.

[jimmy olsen]

There are Auks aren't there?  They seem to fill the same roll as Penguins.

There were Auks, we killed them all didn't we?

Still, you're right. I don't see why the bears couldn't survive on them.

[HVC]

are there seals and other large sea life in the antarctic?

Yes, there are seals.  There are also penguins.

Penguins are a lot faster in the water and don't rely on air holes like seals (polar bears are ambush predators mainly). Penguins only spend a significant amoun inland while breeding and rearing young so unless the polar bears can eat enough over like a one-two month span to last until the next breeding season they're fucked if all they had were penguins.

[Capetan Mihali]

We had peak personal freedom in the late 20th century.

Jag är nyfiken -- Languish.

[Razgovory]

There are Auks aren't there?  They seem to fill the same roll as Penguins.

There were Auks, we killed them all didn't we?

Still, you're right. I don't see why the bears couldn't survive on them.

I have never killed an Auk.  I don't know what you've been doing.

[Capetan Mihali]

But really, where is the state interest in keeping people from fucking animals at their discretion, provided it doesn't infringe on some other kind of animal rights.  It seems like there is a consensus against torturing animals for sexual gratification (if not "bovine agriculture"), but I don't see how bestiality on the face it = torture or even the unnecessary infliction of pain.

I have never understood how the "consent" argument against bestiality is persuasive.  Animals are incapable of giving consent to almost any human action.  Did meine kleine kätzchen "consent" to an indefinite custodial agreement in which he spends 24 hours a day in a sordid three-decker apartment?  Obviously not.  My roommate just selected him and put him in a box.  (Though of course he is pleasantly plump motherfucker, is showered thrice-over with the affection he demands, and lacks for nothing.   ) 

And of course the cliched argument: does the chicken consent to being transformed into "gallic agriculture" by sub-minimum-wage Mexican workers in North Carolina or Delaware plants?  [The question of whether the Mexicans really "consented" to that either is for another  day...]

The idea of consent seems intimately linked to the idea of autonomy.  Without autonomy, how can you consent?  And conversely, without the ability to consent, how can you be autonomous?

Animals in "our" society are generally treated as living creatures lacking autonomy.  If anybody wants to make the case for bovine autonomy, let him.

Why do we have laws against animal cruelty?  I'm not sure there's one consistent rationale, or if there is any comprehensive reason for it.  A lot of it is emotional, obviously, but I'd guess that the main reason for the prohibition is the deleterious impact that animal abusers probably have on human society.

I think the real question is whether having sex with animals is per se animal abuse.  I'm not convinced that it is.  Surely some kinds of animal-fucking are cruel and should be prohibited, but there may well be others that really aren't cruel when looked out without prudery.

[The Brain]

It wasn't the R. v. J.D. thing, was it?  (You may've missed my edit.)  If not, tell me more.

As for the assertion that Joe Blow wouldn't equate the two, I concede that a pornographically edited version might make them pretty uncomfortable, but a more complete document (negotation beforehand, processing afterward, although I guess this might depend on a lot of other factors) would probably be enough to convince a genuine skeptic that it's weird but harmless (or at least free and unworthy of government attention).

Of course, I'm assuming a genuine skeptic, and not someone who wants to outlaw everything they don't personally enjoy.  The only solution for those folks is camps.

On the other hand, I'm biased, as I really like the BDSM approach even if I'm rather agnostic to BDSM itself.

No it was a Swedish court. It was clear that there was consent, the chick didn't want the guy to be charged and never claimed rape.

While a normal person might reach the conclusion that BDSM is OK the shrill busybodies who make up the Swedish parliament are much less prone to sense. And they make the laws. Band camp or death camp btw?