Dan Savage Gets Glitterbombed, Called Transphobic

Started by garbon, November 15, 2011, 06:06:43 PM

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Neil

Quote from: Grallon on November 15, 2011, 08:23:52 PM
Quote from: Neil on November 15, 2011, 08:12:33 PM
Our society lost the right to exist when we decriminalized homosexual behavior.
Try it before you dismiss it.  You are still 'relatively' young for it.
The problem with gay sex is that there's no women involved.  Women are infinitely preferable as sexual partners.
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Grallon

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Quote from: Neil on November 15, 2011, 08:32:44 PM
The problem with gay sex is that there's no women involved.  Women are infinitely preferable as sexual partners.


He that hath not felt the pull of a boy's tight arse when plowed diligently does not know what he speaks about.


EDIT: Here - try this - the blond boy is just perfect.   http://xhamster.com/movies/584966/ken_ryker_fucks_twink.html



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Eddie Teach

Quote from: garbon on November 15, 2011, 06:06:43 PM
Savage went on to note: "I never said the word 'tranny' at UCI at all; indeed, I've made a conscious effort to stop using 'tranny' after the memo went out last year declaring the word an off-limits 'hate term.'"

So what's the pc term for a tranny?
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Jacob

Quote from: Peter Wiggin on November 15, 2011, 09:51:28 PMSo what's the pc term for a tranny?

As I understand it:

Ideally you refer to a transsexual person by the gender they identify with. So, should Tim tell us that he is in fact a woman in spite of having been born with (I assume) dangly boy-bits, from there on out you'd call her a woman. Should it be necessary to refer to the fact that Tim was born into a boy's body when describing his sexuality, perhaps for political reasons, you'd use the term trans-woman.

If, on the other hand, you're talking about a cis-gendered person (i.e. someone who identifies with the gender they were raised as), be they gay or straight, but who enjoys dressing up in clothing associated with the other gender, you'd refer to them as a cross-dresser.

If you're referring to the larger phenomenon of non-orthodox gender identities, the appropriate adjective is transgendered.

That's what I've been let to believe anhow.

Neil

But the proper thing to do is to refer to someone born as a boy as 'he', no matter what freaky lifestyle choices they make.
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Razgovory

Please don't link porn here grallon.  Neil doesn't need to watch buggery to know it's wrong just as he doesn't need to murder people to know it's wrong.
I've given it serious thought. I must scorn the ways of my family, and seek a Japanese woman to yield me my progeny. He shall live in the lands of the east, and be well tutored in his sacred trust to weave the best traditions of Japan and the Sacred South together, until such time as he (or, indeed his house, which will periodically require infusion of both Southern and Japanese bloodlines of note) can deliver to the South it's independence, either in this world or in space.  -Lettow April of 2011

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Razgovory

Quote from: Jacob on November 15, 2011, 10:17:31 PM
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on November 15, 2011, 09:51:28 PMSo what's the pc term for a tranny?

As I understand it:

Ideally you refer to a transsexual person by the gender they identify with. So, should Tim tell us that he is in fact a woman in spite of having been born with (I assume) dangly boy-bits, from there on out you'd call her a woman. Should it be necessary to refer to the fact that Tim was born into a boy's body when describing his sexuality, perhaps for political reasons, you'd use the term trans-woman.

If, on the other hand, you're talking about a cis-gendered person (i.e. someone who identifies with the gender they were raised as), be they gay or straight, but who enjoys dressing up in clothing associated with the other gender, you'd refer to them as a cross-dresser.

If you're referring to the larger phenomenon of non-orthodox gender identities, the appropriate adjective is transgendered.

That's what I've been let to believe anhow.

It would be easier if they didn't change what is and isn't acceptable all the time.  I swear they change the appropriate terms to catch people so they can get indignant when someone messes up.
I've given it serious thought. I must scorn the ways of my family, and seek a Japanese woman to yield me my progeny. He shall live in the lands of the east, and be well tutored in his sacred trust to weave the best traditions of Japan and the Sacred South together, until such time as he (or, indeed his house, which will periodically require infusion of both Southern and Japanese bloodlines of note) can deliver to the South it's independence, either in this world or in space.  -Lettow April of 2011

Raz is right. -MadImmortalMan March of 2017

Ideologue

Quote from: Jacob on November 15, 2011, 10:17:31 PM
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on November 15, 2011, 09:51:28 PMSo what's the pc term for a tranny?

As I understand it:

Ideally you refer to a transsexual person by the gender they identify with. So, should Tim tell us that he is in fact a woman in spite of having been born with (I assume) dangly boy-bits, from there on out you'd call her a woman. Should it be necessary to refer to the fact that Tim was born into a boy's body when describing his sexuality, perhaps for political reasons, you'd use the term trans-woman.

If, on the other hand, you're talking about a cis-gendered person (i.e. someone who identifies with the gender they were raised as), be they gay or straight, but who enjoys dressing up in clothing associated with the other gender, you'd refer to them as a cross-dresser.

If you're referring to the larger phenomenon of non-orthodox gender identities, the appropriate adjective is transgendered.

That's what I've been let to believe anhow.

Correct afaik.

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Quote from: RazIt would be easier if they didn't change what is and isn't acceptable all the time.  I swear they change the appropriate terms to catch people so they can get indignant when someone messes up.

I don't think "shemale" has ever been considered a particularly classy term for a t-girl.
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Eddie Teach

Quote from: Razgovory on November 15, 2011, 10:42:24 PM
It would be easier if they didn't change what is and isn't acceptable all the time.  I swear they change the appropriate terms to catch people so they can get indignant when someone messes up.

You should start acting self-righteous and indignant when people use the word "crazy".
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Capetan Mihali

How many people here are actually acquainted with transgendered/transsexual people?
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Jacob

Quote from: Razgovory on November 15, 2011, 10:42:24 PMIt would be easier if they didn't change what is and isn't acceptable all the time.  I swear they change the appropriate terms to catch people so they can get indignant when someone messes up.

Well, I don't think there's a whole lot of "changing all the time" going on yet to be honest. If it's a change it's of the "hey, you know the terms other people used in a derogatory fashion, that we never used for ourselves? Yeah, well, don't call us that; instead call use these terms that we consider non-derogatory."

Give it time and perhaps these terms will go through the negro - coloured - african-american - black evolution, but that hasn't happened yet.

Ideologue

Quote from: Capetan Mihali on November 15, 2011, 10:47:44 PM
How many people here are actually acquainted with transgendered/transsexual people?

In what manner.
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Capetan Mihali

Quote from: Ideologue on November 15, 2011, 10:50:17 PM
Quote from: Capetan Mihali on November 15, 2011, 10:47:44 PM
How many people here are actually acquainted with transgendered/transsexual people?

In what manner.

In a  -- "how you doin?"  -- "how YOU doin?" kind of way.
"The internet's completely over. [...] The internet's like MTV. At one time MTV was hip and suddenly it became outdated. Anyway, all these computers and digital gadgets are no good. They just fill your head with numbers and that can't be good for you."
-- Prince, 2010. (R.I.P.)

Razgovory

Quote from: Jacob on November 15, 2011, 10:48:00 PM
Quote from: Razgovory on November 15, 2011, 10:42:24 PMIt would be easier if they didn't change what is and isn't acceptable all the time.  I swear they change the appropriate terms to catch people so they can get indignant when someone messes up.

Well, I don't think there's a whole lot of "changing all the time" going on yet to be honest. If it's a change it's of the "hey, you know the terms other people used in a derogatory fashion, that we never used for ourselves? Yeah, well, don't call us that; instead call use these terms that we consider non-derogatory."

Give it time and perhaps these terms will go through the negro - coloured - african-american - black evolution, but that hasn't happened yet.

I dunno, there seems to be lots of terms and I find them confusing.  Some of these terms seem to be used by some members of the groups themselves and other in the group find them offensive.  What you are describing is a euphemism treadmill.  Like crippled -> handicapped -> disabled -> differently-abled.   I always found "pride" in these kind of things really weird.  Like taking pride in being insane or being born with flippers. 


It may just be that grallon brings out the worst in me, so I'm more offensive tonight then usual.
I've given it serious thought. I must scorn the ways of my family, and seek a Japanese woman to yield me my progeny. He shall live in the lands of the east, and be well tutored in his sacred trust to weave the best traditions of Japan and the Sacred South together, until such time as he (or, indeed his house, which will periodically require infusion of both Southern and Japanese bloodlines of note) can deliver to the South it's independence, either in this world or in space.  -Lettow April of 2011

Raz is right. -MadImmortalMan March of 2017