Sarkozy calls Netanyahu a "liar". Obama agrees.

Started by Martim Silva, November 08, 2011, 08:36:04 AM

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Martim Silva

http://news.yahoo.com/sarkozy-overheard-telling-obama-netanyahus-liar-122734120.html

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In the remarks Thursday in Cannes, Sarkozy said: "Netanyahu, I can't stand him. He's a liar."

According to the French interpreter, Obama responded: "You are sick of him, but I have to work with him every day."

I wounder what Peres would have said, had he been present?  :hmm:

Still, everybody knows that the israeli premier is not truly commited to the peace process with the Palestinians.

Which makes the US opposition to the recognition of Palestine at the UN a clear demonstration that America is not at all impartial (but Washington still keeps trying to be accepted as an arbitrator between both sides, which is laughable).

Viking

What does Sarkozy think Netanyahu lied about?

Calling somebody a liar is pretty specific.
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First Corollary - "You cannot have too many soldiers, only too few supplies."
Second Maxim - "Be willing to exchange a bad idea for a good one."
Second Corollary - "You can only be wrong or agree with me."

A terrorist which starts a slaughter quoting Locke, Burke and Mill has completely missed the point.
The fact remains that the only person or group to applaud the Norway massacre are random Islamists.

Berkut

If that was Obama's response, then I think we can safely conclude that the OP is the liar.
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Razgovory

I'm confused.  The title claims that Obama agrees with the characterization of Netanyahu as a liar, but the article doesn't support that.  Or even suggest that.  It does suggest that Obama doesn't like Netanyahu, which is understandable.  Bibi has intentionally embarrassed Obama for reasons unfathomable.  Probably because he is an ass.
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DGuller

Quote from: Berkut on November 08, 2011, 08:45:26 AM
If that was Obama's response, then I think we can safely conclude that the OP is the liar.
You are sick of him, but I have to read his posts every day.

Berkut

Quote from: DGuller on November 08, 2011, 08:47:09 AM
Quote from: Berkut on November 08, 2011, 08:45:26 AM
If that was Obama's response, then I think we can safely conclude that the OP is the liar.
You are sick of him, but I have to read his posts every day.

I am glad you agree with me.
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Sheilbh

I don't know if this is surprising.  As Jeffrey Goldberg tweeted the real story would be if Obama had corrected Sarko and referred to Bibi as a valued friend and interlocutor.

What I found odd about this story is that it was heard by journos in Cannes but's only come out now.  I don't understand why they didn't report it then and, from my understanding, the story came out via French blogs.
Let's bomb Russia!

Razgovory

Quote from: Sheilbh on November 08, 2011, 08:57:07 AM
I don't know if this is surprising.  As Jeffrey Goldberg tweeted the real story would be if Obama had corrected Sarko and referred to Bibi as a valued friend and interlocutor.

What I found odd about this story is that it was heard by journos in Cannes but's only come out now.  I don't understand why they didn't report it then and, from my understanding, the story came out via French blogs.

:lol:  I wonder if anyone outside Israel likes Netanyahu.  Idi Amin's boys shot the wrong brother.
I've given it serious thought. I must scorn the ways of my family, and seek a Japanese woman to yield me my progeny. He shall live in the lands of the east, and be well tutored in his sacred trust to weave the best traditions of Japan and the Sacred South together, until such time as he (or, indeed his house, which will periodically require infusion of both Southern and Japanese bloodlines of note) can deliver to the South it's independence, either in this world or in space.  -Lettow April of 2011

Raz is right. -MadImmortalMan March of 2017

Viking

Quote from: Sheilbh on November 08, 2011, 08:57:07 AM
I don't know if this is surprising.  As Jeffrey Goldberg tweeted the real story would be if Obama had corrected Sarko and referred to Bibi as a valued friend and interlocutor.

What I found odd about this story is that it was heard by journos in Cannes but's only come out now.  I don't understand why they didn't report it then and, from my understanding, the story came out via French blogs.

Because the French officials got the journalists to promise to not report it on the grounds that they were off the cuff and not formal statements.
First Maxim - "There are only two amounts, too few and enough."
First Corollary - "You cannot have too many soldiers, only too few supplies."
Second Maxim - "Be willing to exchange a bad idea for a good one."
Second Corollary - "You can only be wrong or agree with me."

A terrorist which starts a slaughter quoting Locke, Burke and Mill has completely missed the point.
The fact remains that the only person or group to applaud the Norway massacre are random Islamists.

Sheilbh

Quote from: Viking on November 08, 2011, 09:08:35 AMBecause the French officials got the journalists to promise to not report it on the grounds that they were off the cuff and not formal statements.
That explains it.  Though not to the credit of any of the journos involved <_<
Let's bomb Russia!

Razgovory

I've given it serious thought. I must scorn the ways of my family, and seek a Japanese woman to yield me my progeny. He shall live in the lands of the east, and be well tutored in his sacred trust to weave the best traditions of Japan and the Sacred South together, until such time as he (or, indeed his house, which will periodically require infusion of both Southern and Japanese bloodlines of note) can deliver to the South it's independence, either in this world or in space.  -Lettow April of 2011

Raz is right. -MadImmortalMan March of 2017

viper37

Quote from: Razgovory on November 08, 2011, 09:03:12 AM
:lol:  I wonder if anyone outside Israel likes Netanyahu.  Idi Amin's boys shot the wrong brother.
I like him.  Though I'm disapointed there's no gigantic bloodbath yet.  True peace can only be achieved once nearly everyone is dead on both sides.
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Berkut

Quote from: Sheilbh on November 08, 2011, 09:20:40 AM
Quote from: Viking on November 08, 2011, 09:08:35 AMBecause the French officials got the journalists to promise to not report it on the grounds that they were off the cuff and not formal statements.
That explains it.  Though not to the credit of any of the journos involved <_<

Why?

Are journalists obligated to report *everything* anyone says, even if it is clearly not official, and  intended to be private conversation? Do public figures have to employ extreme measures to have a moment to speak to one another without concern that their words are going to be repeated, even when the conversation is not formal?

I think it is perfectly reasonable to recognize that private conversations between public figures are just that, and they should have the freedom to speak with an expectation of privacy, within reason. Otherwise public figures will simply not allow journalists around them at all, if they have to be worried that every off hand comment is going to be shared with the world.
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Neil

Quote from: Razgovory on November 08, 2011, 09:21:23 AM
You Brits are weird.
It's not that they're weird.  It's just they come from a country where pretty much every media outlet is the equivalent of People Magazine.  British journalism as a respectable record of events is pretty much dead.
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Razgovory

Quote from: Neil on November 08, 2011, 09:43:23 AM
Quote from: Razgovory on November 08, 2011, 09:21:23 AM
You Brits are weird.
It's not that they're weird.  It's just they come from a country where pretty much every media outlet is the equivalent of People Magazine.  British journalism as a respectable record of events is pretty much dead.

I find that weird.
I've given it serious thought. I must scorn the ways of my family, and seek a Japanese woman to yield me my progeny. He shall live in the lands of the east, and be well tutored in his sacred trust to weave the best traditions of Japan and the Sacred South together, until such time as he (or, indeed his house, which will periodically require infusion of both Southern and Japanese bloodlines of note) can deliver to the South it's independence, either in this world or in space.  -Lettow April of 2011

Raz is right. -MadImmortalMan March of 2017