American Gun Ownership Highest In 18 Years

[garbon]

So what is your favorite gun, garbon?

It's between my legs.

Well it certainly wasn't yours.

You two have history, I take it? 

Gee, I supposedly do so much self-promotion on here and yet no one can even remember my basic biography.

[11B4V]

So what is your favorite gun, garbon?

It's between my legs.

So a derringer, then.  Got it

Mortar.

Anyway, on a serious note, I've nothing about guns for recreation. I think I said here somewhere that I'd totally be up for going to a gun range if someone took me.

What I don't quite get is guns as a funny enough hobby that you are customizing and running computer simulations.

I dont get what you mean by "funny enough"

The program is a very indepth internal/external ballistics simulator.

[garbon]

Sorry meant fun.

[Malthus]

So what is your favorite gun, garbon?

It's between my legs.

So a derringer, then.  Got it

Mortar.

Anyway, on a serious note, I've nothing about guns for recreation. I think I said here somewhere that I'd totally be up for going to a gun range if someone took me.

What I don't quite get is guns as a funny enough hobby that you are customizing and running computer simulations.

I dont get what you mean by "funny enough"

The program is a very indepth internal/external ballistics simulator.

Nothing more hilarious than an indepth internal/external ballistics simulator, now, is there. 

[11B4V]

Sorry meant fun.

Ah.

The external ballistics calculator is self explanatory. The internal one is used for simulating varibles like charge weight, primer type, bullet seating depth, pressure, etc. It is an immense help when doing load work-ups with a particular combination of components (bullet, powder,primer).

[garbon]

Again, I don't see how it would be enough fun to want to put in that sort of work.

[11B4V]

Again, I don't see how it would be enough fun to want to put in that sort of work.

Really not that much work. Hard part is learning to use the program.

[DGuller]

So what is your favorite gun, garbon?

It's between my legs.

Well it certainly wasn't yours.

You two have history, I take it? 

Ugh, don't remind me. 

[garbon]

So what is your favorite gun, garbon?

It's between my legs.

Well it certainly wasn't yours.

You two have history, I take it? 

Ugh, don't remind me. 

Night of your life.

[DGuller]

American democracy at work. Deliberately voting for laws that are unconstitutional, because you believe the voters to be idiots (probably rightly so).  Surely there has to be some way to hold the legislators responsible for deliberately and knowingly ignoring the constitution?

Democrats to aid Republicans on Mo. gun bill
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Associated Press David a. Lieb, Associated Press 3 hours ago
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JEFFERSON CITY, Mo. (AP) -- With the help of a few Democrats, Missouri's Republican-led Legislature appears to be positioned to override Gov. Jay Nixon's veto of a high-profile bill that seeks to nullify federal gun-control laws in the state and make criminals out of federal agents who attempt to enforce them.

Several of Nixon's fellow Democrats confirmed to The Associated Press that they would vote to override his veto when lawmakers convene in September, even while agreeing with the governor that the bill couldn't survive a court challenge. Many of them noted that in some parts of Missouri, a "no" vote on gun legislation could be career ending.

"We love our guns and we love hunting. It's not worth the fight for me to vote against it," said Rep. T.J. McKenna, D-Festus. But, he added, "the bill is completely unconstitutional, so the courts are going to have to throw it out."

The legislation would make it a misdemeanor for federal agents to attempt to enforce any federal gun regulations that "infringe on the people's right to keep and bear arms." The same criminal charges would apply to journalists who publish any identifying information about gun owners. The charge would be punishable by up to a year in jail and a $1,000 fine.

Nixon said the bill infringes on the U.S. Constitution by giving precedence to state law over federal laws and by limiting the First Amendment rights of media.

The legislation is one of the boldest measures yet in a recent national trend in which states are attempting to nullify federal laws. A recent Associated Press analysis found that about four-fifths of the states have enacted local laws that directly reject or ignore federal laws on gun control, marijuana use, health insurance requirements and identification standards for driver's licenses. Relatively few of those go so far as to threaten criminal charges against federal authorities.

If Republican lawmakers stick together in Missouri, they would need only one Democrat in the House and none in the Senate to get the required two-thirds majority vote in both chambers. That translates to 109 votes in the House and 23 in the Senate.

McKenna was among 11 House Democrats who joined Republicans to pass the legislation in May, by a 116-38 vote. The bill cleared the Senate 26-6, with two Democrats supporting it.

Although Republicans currently hold 109 House seats, they're down at least one of their own. Rep. Jay Barnes was the only Republican to vote against the original bill and said he opposes a veto override.

"Our Constitution is not a Chinese buffet, which we like and do not like," the Jefferson City attorney told the AP. "The First Amendment is part of the Constitution that we must uphold. ... (And) the supremacy clause means that states cannot criminalize the activities of agents of the federal government."

There's also a chance that other Republicans and supportive Democrats could change their minds or miss the vote.

But so far, at least three House Democrats — McKenna, Keith English of Florissant and Ben Harris of Hillsboro — said they would support a veto override, and Democratic Rep. Jeff Roorda of Barnhart said he was leaning toward it.

"Being a rural-area Democrat, if you don't vote for any gun bill, it will kill you," Harris said. "That's what the Republicans want you to do is vote against it, because if you vote against it, they'll send one mailer every week just blasting you about guns, and you'll lose" re-election.

Four other Democrats who voted for the bill told the AP they were now undecided. At least one of the original Democratic "yes" votes — Rep. Steve Hodges, of East Prairie — said he would switch to a "no."

Pro-gun legislation typically has received bipartisan support in Missouri. In 2003, the Republican-led Legislature overrode Democratic Gov. Bob Holden's veto of legislation legalizing concealed guns with the help of Democrats. That same year, Democrats helped Republicans in override another Holden veto of a bill limiting lawsuits against gun manufacturers.

This year's vetoed gun bill is entitled the "Second Amendment Preservation Act" — a label that some Democrats said makes it politically risky to oppose.

Democratic Rep. Ed Schieffer, who proclaims himself "100 percent pro-gun," said he voted for the bill in May with an eye toward a potential 2014 state Senate campaign against Republican Rep. Jeanie Riddle, of Mokane, who also supported the bill. Schieffer, of Troy, said he is undecided whether to support a veto override.

"I personally believe that any higher court will probably rule this particular gun law unconstitutional — on that, I probably agree that the governor's right," Schieffer said. "But I may end up still voting for the gun bill, because I don't want to be on record for not supporting guns.""

[11B4V]

American democracy at work. Deliberately voting for laws that are unconstitutional, because you believe the voters to be idiots (probably rightly so).  Surely there has to be some way to hold the legislators responsible for deliberately and knowingly ignoring the constitution?

Democrats to aid Republicans on Mo. gun bill
LikeDislike
Associated Press David a. Lieb, Associated Press 3 hours ago
PoliticsLegislature

JEFFERSON CITY, Mo. (AP) -- With the help of a few Democrats, Missouri's Republican-led Legislature appears to be positioned to override Gov. Jay Nixon's veto of a high-profile bill that seeks to nullify federal gun-control laws in the state and make criminals out of federal agents who attempt to enforce them.

Several of Nixon's fellow Democrats confirmed to The Associated Press that they would vote to override his veto when lawmakers convene in September, even while agreeing with the governor that the bill couldn't survive a court challenge. Many of them noted that in some parts of Missouri, a "no" vote on gun legislation could be career ending.

"We love our guns and we love hunting. It's not worth the fight for me to vote against it," said Rep. T.J. McKenna, D-Festus. But, he added, "the bill is completely unconstitutional, so the courts are going to have to throw it out."

The legislation would make it a misdemeanor for federal agents to attempt to enforce any federal gun regulations that "infringe on the people's right to keep and bear arms." The same criminal charges would apply to journalists who publish any identifying information about gun owners. The charge would be punishable by up to a year in jail and a $1,000 fine.

Nixon said the bill infringes on the U.S. Constitution by giving precedence to state law over federal laws and by limiting the First Amendment rights of media.

The legislation is one of the boldest measures yet in a recent national trend in which states are attempting to nullify federal laws. A recent Associated Press analysis found that about four-fifths of the states have enacted local laws that directly reject or ignore federal laws on gun control, marijuana use, health insurance requirements and identification standards for driver's licenses. Relatively few of those go so far as to threaten criminal charges against federal authorities.

If Republican lawmakers stick together in Missouri, they would need only one Democrat in the House and none in the Senate to get the required two-thirds majority vote in both chambers. That translates to 109 votes in the House and 23 in the Senate.

McKenna was among 11 House Democrats who joined Republicans to pass the legislation in May, by a 116-38 vote. The bill cleared the Senate 26-6, with two Democrats supporting it.

Although Republicans currently hold 109 House seats, they're down at least one of their own. Rep. Jay Barnes was the only Republican to vote against the original bill and said he opposes a veto override.

"Our Constitution is not a Chinese buffet, which we like and do not like," the Jefferson City attorney told the AP. "The First Amendment is part of the Constitution that we must uphold. ... (And) the supremacy clause means that states cannot criminalize the activities of agents of the federal government."

There's also a chance that other Republicans and supportive Democrats could change their minds or miss the vote.

But so far, at least three House Democrats — McKenna, Keith English of Florissant and Ben Harris of Hillsboro — said they would support a veto override, and Democratic Rep. Jeff Roorda of Barnhart said he was leaning toward it.

"Being a rural-area Democrat, if you don't vote for any gun bill, it will kill you," Harris said. "That's what the Republicans want you to do is vote against it, because if you vote against it, they'll send one mailer every week just blasting you about guns, and you'll lose" re-election.

Four other Democrats who voted for the bill told the AP they were now undecided. At least one of the original Democratic "yes" votes — Rep. Steve Hodges, of East Prairie — said he would switch to a "no."

Pro-gun legislation typically has received bipartisan support in Missouri. In 2003, the Republican-led Legislature overrode Democratic Gov. Bob Holden's veto of legislation legalizing concealed guns with the help of Democrats. That same year, Democrats helped Republicans in override another Holden veto of a bill limiting lawsuits against gun manufacturers.

This year's vetoed gun bill is entitled the "Second Amendment Preservation Act" — a label that some Democrats said makes it politically risky to oppose.

Democratic Rep. Ed Schieffer, who proclaims himself "100 percent pro-gun," said he voted for the bill in May with an eye toward a potential 2014 state Senate campaign against Republican Rep. Jeanie Riddle, of Mokane, who also supported the bill. Schieffer, of Troy, said he is undecided whether to support a veto override.

"I personally believe that any higher court will probably rule this particular gun law unconstitutional — on that, I probably agree that the governor's right," Schieffer said. "But I may end up still voting for the gun bill, because I don't want to be on record for not supporting guns.""

Dems and GOP working together. How dare they and it takes gun legislation to do it.  Take that Obamatards.

[Ed Anger]

Gun nuts.

[derspiess]

So this place called James River is making M1 Carbines according to the original WWII era blueprints.  They're selling them complete with reproduction slings & other goodies.  Downside is that the price is about $1200 on the low end

[11B4V]

So this place called James River is making M1 Carbines according to the original WWII era blueprints.  They're selling them complete with reproduction slings & other goodies.  Downside is that the price is about $1200 on the low end

Probably made real well too. But ouch on the price.

[katmai]

How much would a real M1 go for these days?