Zimbabwean women in court on rape charges; semen used in ritual practices

[jimmy olsen]

Doubtful

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/oct/17/zimbabwe-women-sex-attacks-hitchhiker

Zimbabwean women in court over sex attacks on hitchhikers

Three women and man accused of drugging and raping men they picked up, reportedly to use their semen in ritual practices

    David Smith in Johannesburg
    guardian.co.uk, Monday 17 October 2011 09.16 EDT


Three Zimbabwean women have been accused of a series of sex attacks on male hitchhikers, purportedly to steal their semen for use in ritual practices.

In a case that has gripped media and public imagination, the gang appeared in court to face charges of aggravated indecent assault.

Sophie and Netsai Nhokwara, sisters aged 26 and 24, along with 28-year-old Rosemary Chakwizira, are the first suspects to be arrest since accounts of women gang-raping men in Zimbabwe emerged two years ago. They were charged along with Thulani Ngwenya, 24, who is Sophie Nhokwara's boyfriend.

The gang's alleged 17 victims identified so far include a soldier and a police officer whom they allegedly forced to have sex without condoms, the state-owned Herald newspaper reported.

"It is alleged that on 3 March this year at around 7:50am, the four, who were driving a Toyota Spacio without registration numbers, picked a 19-year-old man in Budiriro, Harare," the paper said.

"The teenager was on his way to town. Along the way, the state says they sprayed him with chemicals and he felt dizzy. It is alleged they diverted the route and drove into a bushy area along Mukuvisi river behind Houghton Park where they forced him to drink a concoction, which stimulates sexual desire.

"They then allegedly forced the teenager to be intimate with the three of them using condoms. After this, they secured the used condoms containing semen before spraying him with the same substance and leaving him unconscious. When he woke up, the teenager reported the matter to police."

The women were arrested when they were involved in an accident and police reportedly found 31 used condoms – three half-full of semen – in the boot of their car.

James Sabau, a spokesman for Harare police, told state media that preliminary investigations suggested a ritual link to the collection of victims' semen.

"We are still trying to figure out why semen was collected," he was quoted as saying. "Information we have gathered so far links the entire female rapist issue to rituals that make people rich. It is, however, still unclear how the supposed rituals work."

The suspects, "dressed in designer clothes and fancy hairstyles", according to one report, stood in the dock as the charges were read for almost an hour last Friday. They were then remanded in custody until 28 October.

[Valmy]

What is doubtful?  Some people in Zimbabwe did something weird.  So what?

[garbon]

What is doubtful?  Some people in Zimbabwe did something weird.  So what?

I think he's looking at the women raping the police officer and soldier.

[Malthus]

What is doubtful?  Some people in Zimbabwe did something weird.  So what?

I think the doubtful part is that a woman can, with the aid of an aerosol spray, make a man have sex with her to orgasm against his will.

Though Chanel No. 5 does have a rep ... 

[merithyn]

Men can be raped by women. Even if they don't want to, it isn't difficult to coax an erection from a man, especially if he is drugged. It's a physical response to stimulation, so of course it can be done. I'm surprised that this is even in question.

[Malthus]

Men can be raped by women. Even if they don't want to, it isn't difficult to coax an erection from a man, especially if he is drugged. It's a physical response to stimulation, so of course it can be done. I'm surprised that this is even in question.

You've had experience doing this? Or perhaps, you were once a man? 

 

[merithyn]

Men can be raped by women. Even if they don't want to, it isn't difficult to coax an erection from a man, especially if he is drugged. It's a physical response to stimulation, so of course it can be done. I'm surprised that this is even in question.

You've had experience doing this? Or perhaps, you were once a man? 

 

I didn't realize that one had to have been a man or to have raped someone to realize how the physical body works. Or maybe one just has to be a snide Jewish lawyer.

[Barrister]

Men can be raped by women. Even if they don't want to, it isn't difficult to coax an erection from a man, especially if he is drugged. It's a physical response to stimulation, so of course it can be done. I'm surprised that this is even in question.

It wasn't that it isn't physically possible, but rather what are the odds that that is what actually happened (as opposed to some cops being busted for having sex, who turned around and accused the women of performing witchcraft upon them).

[Malthus]

I didn't realize that one had to have been a man or to have raped someone to realize how the physical body works. Or maybe one just has to be a snide Jewish lawyer.

A snide Jewish lawyer who is more apt to believe in a corrupt cop accusing women of "raping" him with the aid of aphrodesiac drugs when actually they were just having sex and got caught. 

For one, such drugs are not actually, you know, known to exist.  Though if you have the secret, no doubt you could make a bundle!

[garbon]

Men can be raped by women. Even if they don't want to, it isn't difficult to coax an erection from a man, especially if he is drugged. It's a physical response to stimulation, so of course it can be done. I'm surprised that this is even in question.

That wasn't my concern. I am suspicious of claims of women raping men, especially soldiers and police officers, in Africa, though.

[Jacob]

Yeah, I'm with garbon here.

[Josquius]

Certainly agree women definitely can do this.
That its against a soldier and a cop in a country such as this though...yeeahhhh have to agree on the iffyness.

[grumbler]

I didn't realize that one had to have been a man or to have raped someone to realize how the physical body works. Or maybe one just has to be a snide Jewish lawyer.

Your argument is that "it isn't difficult" to force an unwilling male to have an erection.  You claim this this is true because it is "how the physical body works."  I think Malthus is (rightly, in my mind) questioning whether this is, in fact, true.  For a man, an erection ios far more than a physical response to stimuli, as the testaments to bogus aphrodisiacs will attest.

Though this truth may only be apparent to snide Jewish lawyers, as you intimate... in which case I guess I am snide, Jewish, and a lawyer without realizing it.

[Barrister]

I didn't realize that one had to have been a man or to have raped someone to realize how the physical body works. Or maybe one just has to be a snide Jewish lawyer.

Your argument is that "it isn't difficult" to force an unwilling male to have an erection.  You claim this this is true because it is "how the physical body works."  I think Malthus is (rightly, in my mind) questioning whether this is, in fact, true.  For a man, an erection ios far more than a physical response to stimuli, as the testaments to bogus aphrodisiacs will attest.

Though this truth may only be apparent to snide Jewish lawyers, as you intimate... in which case I guess I am snide, Jewish, and a lawyer without realizing it.

You didn't realize how snide you are?

[Malthus]

You didn't realize how snide you are?

It's the "Jewish" part that was surprising. Snide and a lawyer, I could believe [the only question being, which revelation is worse ].

Anyway, welcome to the tribe, Grumbler!