Alex Salmond to let 16-year-olds vote in bid to secure independence

[Ideologue]

And this is exactly why secession from a liberal democracy should never be allowed, and should be laughed off as a serious idea when broached and met with force if need be.  Secession in such a state has exactly zero philosophical underpinnings and is simply one segment of British nation seeking to profit at the expense of the whole.  It's a monstrous ideology, essentially a form of geopolitical anarchy and taken to its absurd conclusions any pissant political unit, down to an individual, could secede from a nation at will when it was no longer immediately advantageous to remain.  It is the end of Western civilization, and those who hold to it should be destroyed.

what a load of horseshit... you're as bad as Raz.

Did I hurt your wee Quebecois feelings?  In that case, at least you have the dubious rationale of language difference.

[Razgovory]

Viper thinks I'm picking on him, because I genuinely don't understand Quebeci Nationalism.

[Zoupa]

Ide just hate the nation-state for some reason. It might not make economic sense to have independence, so why is the option polling in the 40%?

[Razgovory]

Ide just hate the nation-state for some reason. It might not make economic sense to have independence, so why is the option polling in the 40%?

Who knows why the option is polling in the 40's?  Hell, you'll find similar number of people in this country who think that people used to ride dinosaurs.  All kinds of bizarre things poll highly.

I have nothing against the Nation-State.  Seems good a way of organizing a country as any other.

[Ideologue]

Ide just hate the nation-state for some reason.

I do, and I have reasons, but Scotland is no nation.  The Anglo people form a nation, split between six or so jurisdictions*; I see no need to make it seven.

*And to some extent the West, split between about, what, thirty?

[jimmy olsen]

Ide just hate the nation-state for some reason. It might not make economic sense to have independence, so why is the option polling in the 40%?

Why should we give any validity to the concept of the nation state. Human governments should not be founded on the basis of ethnic groups.

[Neil]

The Anglo people form a nation, split between six or so jurisdictions

Never.

[grumbler]

And this is exactly why secession from a liberal democracy should never be allowed, and should be laughed off as a serious idea when broached and met with force if need be.  Secession in such a state has exactly zero philosophical underpinnings and is simply one segment of British nation seeking to profit at the expense of the whole.  It's a monstrous ideology, essentially a form of geopolitical anarchy and taken to its absurd conclusions any pissant political unit, down to an individual, could secede from a nation at will when it was no longer immediately advantageous to remain.  It is the end of Western civilization, and those who hold to it should be destroyed.

  Nuthin' funnier than bumper-sticker politics!

By your lights, both the Czech Republic and the Republic of Slovakia should be burned to the ground, because they dared to go against your silly bumper-sticker rhetoric! 

Succession should obviously be approached with the utmost seriousness, but lazy thinking by its opponents is as silly as lazy thinking by its proponents.

[Josquius]

Sneaky fuck.

I think he'd still want the Barnett formula.  Failing that they could raise taxes or cut spending as they saw fit and they'd almost certainly want all North Sea oil revenue, including the Chancellor's recent levy (which I think the SNP want to cancel).

Which is just bollocks. Why should Glasgow get a penny of Shetland`s oil money?

Ide just hate the nation-state for some reason. It might not make economic sense to have independence, so why is the option polling in the 40%?

Amongst kids.
Most young people aren`t known for fully thought out political beliefs.
Amongst the general population support is much lower, overall common sense trumps nationalism.

[grumbler]

The Anglo people form a nation, split between six or so jurisdictions*;

Haven't seen the Grossdeutschland theory (even modified) espoused since WW2.

"The Anglo people...." 

[Ideologue]

The Anglo people form a nation, split between six or so jurisdictions*;

Haven't seen the Grossdeutschland theory (even modified) espoused since WW2.

"The Anglo people...." 

Don't be ridiculous.  We all speak English, we all use common law jurisprudence.  Close enough.

[Neil]

The Anglo people form a nation, split between six or so jurisdictions*;

Haven't seen the Grossdeutschland theory (even modified) espoused since WW2.

"The Anglo people...." 

I dunno.  You see this sort of thing from China a lot.

[citizen k]

Ide's ethnocentrism is duly noted by his Chinese handlers.

[Ideologue]

It's not ethnocentrism.

[jimmy olsen]

Ide's ethnocentrism is duly noted by his Chinese handlers.

The "anglo" nations are hardly ethnically homogenous,  it's more of a cultural and linguistic description.