Alex Salmond to let 16-year-olds vote in bid to secure independence

[Razgovory]

The Anglo people form a nation, split between six or so jurisdictions*;

Haven't seen the Grossdeutschland theory (even modified) espoused since WW2.

"The Anglo people...." 

I'd prefer to think of myself separate from the British.  You see things like this from third worlders and Balkantards.  Greater Serbia, United Arab Republic etc.  Not the biggest fan of Irredentism myself.  There are a few exception.  Korea should be reunified under a Southern style government.

[garbon]

I like Britain.

[citizen k]

Ide's ethnocentrism is duly noted by his Chinese handlers.

The "anglo" nations are hardly ethnically homogenous,  it's more of a cultural and linguistic description.

I'm just reporting what the Chinese said.

[Barrister]

The Anglo people form a nation, split between six or so jurisdictions*;

Haven't seen the Grossdeutschland theory (even modified) espoused since WW2.

"The Anglo people...." 

Don't be ridiculous.  We all speak English, we all use common law jurisprudence.  Close enough.

The Scots don't use common law jurisprudence.

[Ideologue]

And this is exactly why secession from a liberal democracy should never be allowed, and should be laughed off as a serious idea when broached and met with force if need be.  Secession in such a state has exactly zero philosophical underpinnings and is simply one segment of British nation seeking to profit at the expense of the whole.  It's a monstrous ideology, essentially a form of geopolitical anarchy and taken to its absurd conclusions any pissant political unit, down to an individual, could secede from a nation at will when it was no longer immediately advantageous to remain.  It is the end of Western civilization, and those who hold to it should be destroyed.

  Nuthin' funnier than bumper-sticker politics!

By your lights, both the Czech Republic and the Republic of Slovakia should be burned to the ground, because they dared to go against your silly bumper-sticker rhetoric! 

Succession should obviously be approached with the utmost seriousness, but lazy thinking by its opponents is as silly as lazy thinking by its proponents.

When the Czech-Slovak split occurred Czechoslovakia had no significant history of liberal democracy upon which to legitimize itself, outside of the period 1918-1939.  They therefore fall outside of the condemnation box, although I see of no compelling reason why dissolution struck anyone as a good idea, other than simple nationalism.

[Ideologue]

The Anglo people form a nation, split between six or so jurisdictions*;

Haven't seen the Grossdeutschland theory (even modified) espoused since WW2.

"The Anglo people...." 

Don't be ridiculous.  We all speak English, we all use common law jurisprudence.  Close enough.

The Scots don't use common law jurisprudence.

That is true, and I forgot about that.

[grumbler]

Don't be ridiculous.   

You cannot have my line, Mr "Anglo People."

[Razgovory]

Ide, I would have expected something silly like that from Tim, not you.

[Ideologue]

What the fuck do you think makes a distinct culture?

[Zoupa]

Ide, I don't think you'd feel at home in Australia or Ireland. Even London for that matter.

[Ideologue]

Ide, I don't think you'd feel at home in Australia or Ireland. Even London for that matter.

Or New York.  But they're still Anglophones, and I can do business with, understand the laws of, comprehend and be entertained by the culture of, and feel a kinship toward New Yorkers.

But fwiw, in the same vein there's no particularly compelling reason for (at least) an EU-style Oceania to not exist, there's not much more of particularly compelling reason why there's no overarching Western superstate, other than a lack of sanguinity in regards to fighting totalitarianism (our national reserve of which we've pretty much used up by this point anyway).

[Duque de Bragança]

I think we should pre-empt him and gain English independence first, why should we be lumbered with the Welsh and Irish?

What's next? A separate chav state?

[Richard Hakluyt]

I think Wales is too English to ever leave. In Northern Ireland we await the time when a majority will vote for Irish unification. Scotland has it's own legal system, it's own history and culture; I think they will leave at some point............the reasons for the Union have faded.

[Viking]

I think Wales is too English to ever leave. In Northern Ireland we await the time when a majority will vote for Irish unification. Scotland has it's own legal system, it's own history and culture; I think they will leave at some point............the reasons for the Union have faded.

Wales - will not secede, the road from south wales to north wales goes through England.
Ulster - will not secede, local majority's paranoia is just as anti-irish as scottish paranoia is anti-english.
Scotland - will remain in limbo like Quebec and the Faroe Islands, the locals want to separate but when faced with the actual choice they will choke. Basically, too many scots live in London to make full independence possible.

[Gups]

The sooner they leave the better. And none of this independence lite shit either. Proper independence, making their own spending decisions and raising their own revenue.

No hard feelings and good luck to them.