Wall Street protesters: We're in for the long haul

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Ideologue

Nah, I remember now.  You made a pretty good case that, tactically, John Brown was pretty dumb.  If the goal was to free slaves with direct action, he was bound to fail eventually; if the goal was to die a martyr and piss people off, though, he was pretty successful.
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CountDeMoney

Quote from: Ideologue on November 26, 2011, 06:29:19 PM
Nah, I remember now.  You made a pretty good case that, tactically, John Brown was pretty dumb.  If the goal was to free slaves with direct action, he was bound to fail eventually; if the goal was to die a martyr and piss people off, though, he was pretty successful.

Brown's failure wasn't necessarily the plan itself--while still fatally flawed, but at least was based upon the successful slave revolts of the Caribbean--as much as it was totally underestimating the town's level of resistance.  Of course, they promptly demonstrated how they felt about the whole event with the sheer mutilation of some of the freedmen and slaves that did fight that morning.
Brown's sense of martyrdom was only realized when he was captured.

CountDeMoney

Quote from: Berkut on November 25, 2011, 02:23:39 PM
It is like pro-life anti-choice people calling pro-choice people baby killers, or pro-choice people calling pro-life anti-choice people misogynists.

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Ideologue

Huh, remember back when I was pro-life (anti-choice, whatever, Money)?  Ideologue: capable of change.
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Razgovory

Quote from: Ideologue on November 26, 2011, 11:14:58 PM
Huh, remember back when I was pro-life (anti-choice, whatever, Money)?  Ideologue: capable of change.

I don't remember that.  I do remember when you were Pro-Bush.  But that was back on Pdox.
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Raz is right. -MadImmortalMan March of 2017

CountDeMoney

Quote from: Ideologue on November 26, 2011, 11:14:58 PM
Huh, remember back when I was pro-life (anti-choice, whatever, Money)?  Ideologue: capable of change.

You were also saddled with a psycho shitbag with Daddy issues, so yeah, you are.

Zoupa


Ideologue

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Quote from: Razgovory on November 26, 2011, 11:50:20 PM
Quote from: Ideologue on November 26, 2011, 11:14:58 PM
Huh, remember back when I was pro-life (anti-choice, whatever, Money)?  Ideologue: capable of change.

I don't remember that.  I do remember when you were Pro-Bush.  But that was back on Pdox.

I'm not sure I was ever really pro-Bush, though I was pro some Bush policies, especially the war in Iraq.  Hell, I'm still for that.
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Ed Anger

Nothing wrong with being pro bombing brown people with towels on their heads. Derka derka.
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Ideologue

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fhdz

and the horse you rode in on

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Quote from: Sheilbh on November 25, 2011, 02:01:04 AM
I always thought it was an irony that though Franco had that rhetoric he decolonised while Salazar clung on to colonial possessions to the bitter end.  I should say though that I know very little about Salazarism, I simply associate it with Francoism though I'm sure there are differences.

Easy to explain: Gibraltar is a colony and Franco did not care much about the pitiful Spanish colonial remnants.


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