Skyrim

[ulmont]

Morrowind is a lame enough game by modern standards

You are dead to me.  I'm playing Morrowind right now.

[Grey Fox]

No.

I'm convinced now, I'll pre-order it 

If you want to waste your money, sure.

[viper37]

No.

I'm convinced now, I'll pre-order it 

If you want to waste your money, sure.

I've had bad experience pre-ordering games (Dragon Age II comes to mind, but a few others too), so that's excluded for now
I think I'll wait for the reviews, and look at the mods in 1 year

[dps]

I think I might have played a demo of Daggerfall as a kid at someone elses house- only to fail to remember the name and never obtain the full game. Shame, would have loved it, and it just doesn't work these days.

Daggerfall is a free download these days, already configured for modern systems, so I'm not sure what you mean by "just doesn't work."
http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Daggerfall:Files

Thanks for the link.  That was exactly what I've wanted for a while.

Man, I am out of practice with that mouselook feature, though. 

[grumbler]

Thanks for the link.  That was exactly what I've wanted for a while.

Man, I am out of practice with that mouselook feature, though. 

Yeah, that game didn't age well.  Morrowind was superior in pretty much every aspect.

[dps]

Thanks for the link.  That was exactly what I've wanted for a while.

Man, I am out of practice with that mouselook feature, though. 

Yeah, that game didn't age well.  Morrowind was superior in pretty much every aspect.

No, Morrowind was only superior in graphics.  Oblivion, even more so.

[Razgovory]

Thanks for the link.  That was exactly what I've wanted for a while.

Man, I am out of practice with that mouselook feature, though. 

Yeah, that game didn't age well.  Morrowind was superior in pretty much every aspect.

Well Daggerfall did have flying horses...

[Solmyr]

Daggerfall was the only game in which I've seen people roleplay and write about their characters' entire lives. That in itself makes it superior for me. I love extreme sandbox games.

[grumbler]

Daggerfall was the only game in which I've seen people roleplay and write about their characters' entire lives. That in itself makes it superior for me. I love extreme sandbox games.

People who played Morrowind did this as well.

The problem with Daggerfall as a role-playing exercise was that you couldn't return to most places, as they were created each time you went there.  Morrowind's persistent world was far superior for the role-playing types.

Plus, of course, Morrowind was infinitely more moddable, and that in itself makes it superior for me.   I can still play Morrowind, but dealing with Daggerfall's epic fail of an interface is too high a price for enjoying nostalgia in its case.

[Solmyr]

The problem with Daggerfall as a role-playing exercise was that you couldn't return to most places, as they were created each time you went there.  Morrowind's persistent world was far superior for the role-playing types.

Sure you could - the dungeons and other places stayed the same once generated, and remained in the same location.

[ulmont]

Daggerfall was the only game in which I've seen people roleplay and write about their characters' entire lives. That in itself makes it superior for me. I love extreme sandbox games.

You got a link to a completed Daggerfall AAR / Let's Play?

[Solmyr]

Nope.

[dps]

The problem with Daggerfall as a role-playing exercise was that you couldn't return to most places, as they were created each time you went there.  Morrowind's persistent world was far superior for the role-playing types.

Sure you could - the dungeons and other places stayed the same once generated, and remained in the same location.

Yeah, he's got this wrong.  Many of the dungeons were generated randomly when you entered them, or when they became relevant to a quest, but once generated, they stayed the same.  It is true that all monsters and treasures reset in a dungeon instantly once you left it (which could be exploited to gain great wealth if you were so inclined, and willing to grind your way there), while in later games monsters (and treasure AFAIK) only respawned gradually, which is more realistic.  But the dungeon itself wouldn't change.

As for the interface, while it's not perfect, I actually like the mouselook system.  The problem is, it's not used in any other game I play, so getting back into Daggerfall after all this time, it takes some getting used to.

As a roleplaying game, one of the big advantages of Daggerfall is that you actually get to make meaninful choices.  In Oblivion, especially, you either succeed in the various quest lines, or you fail in them.  Actually, in Oblivion, you can't fail in most quests.  Oh, you can die, but if you don't actually succeed at a quest, you can almost always go back and try it again.  There's no sense of urgency, because very few quests have a time limit (IIRC, only one quest in the main plot line has a time limit).  In contrast, in Daggerfall, all (or almost all) quests have time limits, so you can't just keep re-trying (at least not without reloading).

[JonasSalk]

Anybody know whether this one will finally have mounted combat, or is the horse just a faster mode of transport?

[ulmont]

Anybody know whether this one will finally have mounted combat, or is the horse just a faster mode of transport?

No mounted combat in Skyrim.