Calling Tamas - What's all this shit about CHF mortgage loans?

[Martinus]

Btw, the farthest the Polish government went (and was criticised for it as well) to help the CHF fuckers is to pass a low that allows people to repay the loan taken in CHF by paying CHF amount to the bank (before, they had to buy CHF from the bank on the tranche repayment date, which the bank obviously earned money on).

So now people can stock up on CHF when the exchange rate is low and then can use it to repay it when it goes up.

[Martinus]

They will use your pension fund to pay for it.

haha, well yes, what remains of it.

They did some taxcuts at the start of their reign, most notably the flattification of the income tax. Which costed like 500 billion forints, which was about 2 billion euros back then.
They forgot two things however: they did not cut spendind with it, and, they did this menacing unpredictable moron act in the economy, so consumption and investment failed to raise due to the tax decrease.
So they started raising various other taxes, and introducing new ones.

Still, with the pension money mostly gone (took them a year to spend most of the 12 years old savings of 3 million people - gotta appreciate the effort), supposedly they have a 1000 billion forints hole in next year's budget they have to fill somehow.

So am I right to say that the socialdemocrats seem like paragons of competence and fiscal responsibility in comparison?

[Tamas]

Dare I ask if you've a decent opposition yet?

No. Latest polls show the nazis (Jobbik) overtaking the socialists for second place behind FIDESZ, but still there is like a Grand Canyon between them and the government.

The government is losing popularity slowly, but those mostly go to the "undecided" camp which is like half the country. A fresh political formation could make a killing, except for of course the new election laws which make it just about impossible to get a decent result unless you already have a robust country-wide party infrastructure by the time the elections roll in.

Oh, in somewhat related news, this week, a union (hehe) of trade unions was denied to hold a protest (because of the various hardening of workforce-protection laws - again an attempt to cater to investors, without realizing it is unpredictable government lunacy which keeps investors away, and money under the pillows). Allegedly, they filed requests for 11 different parts of the capital, anticipating some of them being denied, but the police denied all. Because of reasons like "obstructing traffic" and "obstructing the MPs" in front of the Parlaiment.

WTB green card!

[Tamas]

So am I right to say that the socialdemocrats seem like paragons of competence and fiscal responsibility in comparison?

sorta. They had the same answers - raise taxes ad infinitum, but they lacked downright destructive economic "solutions" like this, and they were fine with ruling in a democracy, something our Dear Leader cannot stomach

[Martinus]

It's cool to see other people have much shittier countries than I do. 

[Zanza]

Are you actually actively trying to emigrate, Tamas?

[Tamas]

Are you actually actively trying to emigrate, Tamas?

No, I have a too sweet deal going at work here. That's in contrast of my few tries of applying for much lower level foreign IT jobs than I do, remotely. That did not go well, so I drew the conclusion that unless I move within my current company, going abroad will mean going out with no job offer at hand, and thus risks still outweight the benefits.

My government is working hard on changing that though.

[Crazy_Ivan80]

Dare I ask if you've a decent opposition yet?

No. Latest polls show the nazis (Jobbik) overtaking the socialists for second place behind FIDESZ, but still there is like a Grand Canyon between them and the government.

The government is losing popularity slowly, but those mostly go to the "undecided" camp which is like half the country. A fresh political formation could make a killing, except for of course the new election laws which make it just about impossible to get a decent result unless you already have a robust country-wide party infrastructure by the time the elections roll in.

Oh, in somewhat related news, this week, a union (hehe) of trade unions was denied to hold a protest (because of the various hardening of workforce-protection laws - again an attempt to cater to investors, without realizing it is unpredictable government lunacy which keeps investors away, and money under the pillows). Allegedly, they filed requests for 11 different parts of the capital, anticipating some of them being denied, but the police denied all. Because of reasons like "obstructing traffic" and "obstructing the MPs" in front of the Parlaiment.

WTB green card!

the correct action is to protest anyways.

[dps]

It's cool to see other people have much shittier countries than I do. 

A rare treat for Marty. 

[Martinus]

It's cool to see other people have much shittier countries than I do. 

A rare treat for Marty. 

I think Poland is less shitty than many people think (or tease).

[Tamas]

And, our VAT will be raised 2 percent to 27% next year, making us: record high in the EU!
healthcare payment will also rise by a percent.

[Sheilbh]

And, our VAT will be raised 2 percent to 27% next year, making us: record high in the EU!
healthcare payment will also rise by a percent.

Are you phasing out the supergrossing at least?

[Sheilbh]

The government is losing popularity slowly, but those mostly go to the "undecided" camp which is like half the country. A fresh political formation could make a killing, except for of course the new election laws which make it just about impossible to get a decent result unless you already have a robust country-wide party infrastructure by the time the elections roll in.

Oh, in somewhat related news, this week, a union (hehe) of trade unions was denied to hold a protest (because of the various hardening of workforce-protection laws - again an attempt to cater to investors, without realizing it is unpredictable government lunacy which keeps investors away, and money under the pillows). Allegedly, they filed requests for 11 different parts of the capital, anticipating some of them being denied, but the police denied all. Because of reasons like "obstructing traffic" and "obstructing the MPs" in front of the Parlaiment.

Surely the answer to needing a nationwide organisation and anti-union animus is for the unions to form an associated party!

[Tamas]

And, our VAT will be raised 2 percent to 27% next year, making us: record high in the EU!
healthcare payment will also rise by a percent.

Are you phasing out the supergrossing at least?

Yes.

You get one Goulash Point for impressive knowledge on Hungarian particularities!

[Martinus]

WTF. I never got a Goulash Point for starting this thread.