Stamp out anti-science in US politics

[Razgovory]

For those who thought ID was a serious attempt at science.

Viking, you're shadowboxing again.  No one on Languish has argued against evolution.

did we ever have a poster who did that. Seige doesn't count becasue he thinks the moon landing is a hoax too. Did Fahdiz during his religious years?

Hortlund did.

[Viking]

I`ve no problem with intelligent design, it is indeed a valid idea that is fine to teach in schools, afterall its a commonly believed answer to one of the great questions.
The only problem is when it gets into creationism and starts saying evolution is wrong, there it`s just outright wrong and anyone who supports that needs shooting.

*pow* *pow*

Hey, I'm shadow boxing!!!11111oneoneoen

*pow* *pow*

in this thread even...

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Edit: oh, wait, Tyr wasn't arguing that Evolution wasn't science? Irrellevant, since I was criticizing Tyr for claiming ID was and the video is about how ID is not science. Shadow Boxer? Takes one to know one.

[crazy canuck]

Wow just wow Viking.  You do know what Oex does for a living right?

I gotta remember that argument and use it when we talk about legal matters. After all that's what I do for a living.

Won't work. History professor is a million times more prestigious than a lawyer. Just ask beeb.

Plus everyone agrees Oex is a history professor.  Marti's claim to be a lawyer on the other hand is often tested by the things he says about the law.

[Barrister]

I`ve no problem with intelligent design, it is indeed a valid idea that is fine to teach in schools, afterall its a commonly believed answer to one of the great questions.
The only problem is when it gets into creationism and starts saying evolution is wrong, there it`s just outright wrong and anyone who supports that needs shooting.

*pow* *pow*

Hey, I'm shadow boxing!!!11111oneoneoen

*pow* *pow*

in this thread even...

*pow* *pow*

Viking, you're shadowboxing again.  No one on Languish has argued against evolution.

Bolded for emphasis, since you missed it the first time.

[Viking]

I`ve no problem with intelligent design, it is indeed a valid idea that is fine to teach in schools, afterall its a commonly believed answer to one of the great questions.
The only problem is when it gets into creationism and starts saying evolution is wrong, there it`s just outright wrong and anyone who supports that needs shooting.

*pow* *pow*

Hey, I'm shadow boxing!!!11111oneoneoen

*pow* *pow*

in this thread even...

*pow* *pow*

Viking, you're shadowboxing again.  No one on Languish has argued against evolution.

Bolded for emphasis, since you missed it the first time.

I refer you to the post where I add in on edit this text

Edit: oh, wait, Tyr wasn't arguing that Evolution wasn't science? Irrellevant, since I was criticizing Tyr for claiming ID was and the video is about how ID is not science. Shadow Boxer? Takes one to know one.

[Razgovory]

Tyr never said ID was a science.  Lots of things are taught in schools that aren't sciences.

[fhdz]

did we ever have a poster who did that. Seige doesn't count becasue he thinks the moon landing is a hoax too. Did Fahdiz during his religious years?

I don't think I ever did that, but I am *sure* I argued a pro-ID viewpoint.

[The Brain]

did we ever have a poster who did that. Seige doesn't count becasue he thinks the moon landing is a hoax too. Did Fahdiz during his religious years?

I don't think I ever did that, but I am *sure* I argued a pro-ID viewpoint.

Pro? Don't flatter yourself.

[fhdz]

Pro? Don't flatter yourself.

[Capetan Mihali]

Sorry to revive such a contentious thread from its peaceful slumber, but I just re-discovered a particularly striking passage from Freud's "Civilization and Its Discontents" that I underlined years ago:

"The whole thing [religion] is so patently infantile, so foreign to reality, that to anyone with a friendly attitude to humanity it is painful to think that the great majority of mortals will never be able to rise above this view of life.  It is still more humiliating to discover how large a number of people living to-day, who cannot but see that this religion is not tenable, nevertheless try to defend it piece by piece in a series of pitiful rearguard actions."

[Neil]

See, but that's just stupid, even moreso when it was written than it is today.

[Razgovory]

This coming from the man who invented "Psycho-history".  I think that settles it, Freud said it was bad so it has to have something going for it.

[Ed Anger]

This coming from the man who invented "Psycho-history".  I think that settles it, Freud said it was bad so it has to have something going for it.

At least Jung spanks Keira Knightly.

[Sheilbh]

Freud's "Civilization and Its Discontents" that I underlined years ago:

[Capetan Mihali]

See, but that's just stupid, even moreso when it was written than it is today.

I don't know, I think I understand where he's coming from.  He was writing in 1930, having watched all the material bourgeois progress of the late 19th and early 20th centuries, having virtually pioneered what we consider psychology, and yet the mystifications of organized religion held sway as much as ever.    Hard not to be a little disappointed.

I try to be especially respectful of peoples' religious views since I had the mixed blessing of being part of the small amount of Americans who grow up in essentially atheist families.  My father's grandmother kept kosher and was apparently an observant Jew, but that is the closest hereditary link I have with any kind of religion. I'm as much a cultural atheist as others are cultural Catholics, so I try to acknowledge that my biases against religion are as much an unthinking reflex as other peoples' biases towards religion are.  But at the end of the day, I find it totally incomprehensible.  To think that a major contender for the presidency of the United States finds merit in praying for rain is mind-boggling.