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Started by Syt, September 08, 2011, 12:53:54 AM

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frunk

D3's not a bad game, it just got stale for me a lot quicker than PoE.  Chris Wilson is right that Sets make itemization a lot less interesting.

Syt

Quote from: frunk on September 04, 2022, 11:50:50 AMD3's not a bad game, it just got stale for me a lot quicker than PoE.  Chris Wilson is right that Sets make itemization a lot less interesting.

Agreed on that. Though POE leans into the other extreme with heavy randomization of equipment items and crafting. :D I feel there could be a middle ground between chasing pre-defined items sets and chasing the elusive roll of the dice. :P

(I will say I'm glad that POE meta builds have largely shifted away from "must have" uniques that enable a build - most of the time rares will be better if crafted with the "right" mods.)
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frunk

Quote from: Syt on September 04, 2022, 11:54:01 AMAgreed on that. Though POE leans into the other extreme with heavy randomization of equipment items and crafting. :D I feel there could be a middle ground between chasing pre-defined items sets and chasing the elusive roll of the dice. :P

(I will say I'm glad that POE meta builds have largely shifted away from "must have" uniques that enable a build - most of the time rares will be better if crafted with the "right" mods.)

Yeah, I can't stand PoE's crafting system.  Fortunately you can still do pretty well without fully engaging with it.
 I think that was why Harvest being toned down is kicking up such a big fuss, it was the way around the mess that is the rest of the system.

Syt

Quote from: frunk on September 04, 2022, 01:34:35 PMYeah, I can't stand PoE's crafting system.  Fortunately you can still do pretty well without fully engaging with it.
 I think that was why Harvest being toned down is kicking up such a big fuss, it was the way around the mess that is the rest of the system.

Agreed. The prices for harvest crafts now are hilarious, running in the hundreds if not thousands for reasonably valuable (but not crazy) crafts. I did a harvest earlier today, tier 4 blue map. I got 68 of crafting currency. :D

My crafting is limited to rolling essences, occasional alchs or binding orbs, and on really nice bases I might go the route blue/reroll/regal. Rarely using fossils because I can't really be bothered with Delve, but there's fortunately other ways of getting them.

But at the end of the day it's all rolling the dice. You might get the blue item you want, put a regal on it, and then have to start over, because you got a useless or low tier mod. It's sad enough that you basically need a site like Craft of Exile to figure out what kind of item base etc. you need to have a (tiny) chance to roll a certain modifier. "You need this kind of item base, minimum X item level, and it needs to be a Shaper item" or something along those lines. :bleeding:
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FunkMonk

Yeah, it is that sort of stuff that attracted me to the game years ago but now I just don't have the time or motivation to meticulously plan out crafts and I'm just tired of having to trade.

D3 is much simpler and at this point in my life I just have an hour or two at most at night to play a video game. I want to use that time playing the game, not sitting in my hideout trying to trade for a 100+ life roll, 90 total resistance, mark on hit glove or the unique I need for a build. And getting destroyed by random rares with 3 or 4 Archnemesis mods gets old pretty quickly since they often zoom across the screen and explode me with little warning.

There are other solid or great ARPGs. Last Epoch is a cool indie ARPG which is fun in spurts. And the Diablo 2 mod Project Diablo 2 is probably the best ARPG I've ever played.
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Syt

For me it's just making things too complicated. I treat POE mostly as an idle clicker while listening to podcasts or audio books. Now, after 2500 hours or so I have a decent muscle memory that I can do most stuff on instinct and only really have to focus when comparing items that are marginally different, check my resistances when getting new gear etc. or run into a new boss.

But I know that I'm likely the exception, and most players will be more focused on the actual gameplay. :D
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FunkMonk

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Yeah, and it's the actual gameplay that was always the weakest part of POE to me. Now that I just don't have time or inclination for the other parts of the game, it's lost a lot of its original appeal.

I still love POE, but until the GGG figures out what it wants the game to be, I don't think I'll be playing it as much. Or maybe they have figured it out and it's just not the kind of game I want to play anymore.
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Iormlund

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Quote from: Syt on September 05, 2022, 12:36:33 AMFor me it's just making things too complicated. I treat POE mostly as an idle clicker while listening to podcasts or audio books. Now, after 2500 hours or so I have a decent muscle memory that I can do most stuff on instinct and only really have to focus when comparing items that are marginally different, check my resistances when getting new gear etc. or run into a new boss.

But I know that I'm likely the exception, and most players will be more focused on the actual gameplay. :D

Not really. If retention data is any indication, most people prefer zooming through maps without a care over hard content.

Personally I love the slow pace of early game (like the dreaded Mud Flats). But I know I'm in the minority.

Quote from: FunkMonk on September 05, 2022, 06:59:30 AMI still love POE, but until the GGG figures out what it wants the game to be, I don't think I'll be playing it as much. Or maybe they have figured it out and it's just not the kind of game I want to play anymore.


Chris knows what he wants it to be. He has said repeatedly that he likes slow paced games and random, incredibly rare loot.

GGG's problem is that their audience HATES that. Especially whales.

Syt

I would buy the "we want slower gameplay" line from GGG more if they didn't have so many league mechanics that are built around killing enemies fast. :P
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FunkMonk

Quote from: Iormlund on September 05, 2022, 01:51:23 PM
Quote from: Syt on September 05, 2022, 12:36:33 AMFor me it's just making things too complicated. I treat POE mostly as an idle clicker while listening to podcasts or audio books. Now, after 2500 hours or so I have a decent muscle memory that I can do most stuff on instinct and only really have to focus when comparing items that are marginally different, check my resistances when getting new gear etc. or run into a new boss.

But I know that I'm likely the exception, and most players will be more focused on the actual gameplay. :D

Not really. If retention data is any indication, most people prefer zooming through maps without a care over hard content.

Personally I love the slow pace of early game (like the dreaded Mud Flats). But I know I'm in the minority.

Quote from: FunkMonk on September 05, 2022, 06:59:30 AMI still love POE, but until the GGG figures out what it wants the game to be, I don't think I'll be playing it as much. Or maybe they have figured it out and it's just not the kind of game I want to play anymore.


Chris knows what he want's it to be. He has said repeatedly that he likes slow paced games and random, incredibly rare loot.

GGG's problem is that their audience HATES that. Especially whales.

Chris has also mentioned he listens to his team and if the team as a whole decides on something he goes with them. It's hard to say how much of the game is Chris implementing his vision or the team overruling Chris. But that's neither here nor there.

I enjoy the slow pace of the initial acts too, as well as the glacial pace the game was originally back in 2013 or whatever. The game became quite easy and turned into a zoom fest over time. Now they want to turn back the clock and I don't think that is good idea because the game is now a mishmash of philosophies from different eras of it's development. It's a bit all over the place now and they've trapped themselves.

I imagine this turn is the set up to fold the game into POE 2. That's great but GGG really dropped the ball in terms of managing expectations.
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Syt

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