New fighter jet to bolster Russian air force, and India

Started by KRonn, August 17, 2011, 12:30:03 PM

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Siege

#15
August 17, 2011, 08:39:30 PM
Quote from: citizen k on August 17, 2011, 06:54:33 PM
Quote from: Iormlund on August 17, 2011, 06:03:34 PM
And seeing how so much of their stuff is derived from US designs, aren't there restrictions on transfer?

Doesn't stop the Israelis.

Shut your lying trap, bitch.



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Siege

#16
August 17, 2011, 08:41:37 PM
Quote from: KRonn on August 17, 2011, 12:30:03 PM
Russia and India work together on a new fighter. I hadn't heard of this before; was kind of surprised as I thought India was moving away from Russia.


Doesn't look too stealthy in that pic.
Also, why are we so cozy with India when they do these kind of deals with the russians?


"All men are created equal, then some become infantry."

"Those who beat their swords into plowshares will plow for those who don't."

"Laissez faire et laissez passer, le monde va de lui même!"

Ideologue

#17
August 17, 2011, 08:54:30 PM
Quote from: Siege on August 17, 2011, 08:41:37 PM
Quote from: KRonn on August 17, 2011, 12:30:03 PM
Russia and India work together on a new fighter. I hadn't heard of this before; was kind of surprised as I thought India was moving away from Russia.


Doesn't look too stealthy in that pic.
Also, why are we so cozy with India when they do these kind of deals with the russians?

Stop supporting the People's Republic.
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PRC

#18
August 17, 2011, 09:13:44 PM
Quote from: Siege on August 17, 2011, 08:41:37 PM
Quote from: KRonn on August 17, 2011, 12:30:03 PM
Russia and India work together on a new fighter. I hadn't heard of this before; was kind of surprised as I thought India was moving away from Russia.


Doesn't look too stealthy in that pic.
Also, why are we so cozy with India when they do these kind of deals with the russians?


Probably because you do these kinds of deals with Pakistan.

PRC

#19
August 17, 2011, 09:17:50 PM
Quote from: PRC on August 17, 2011, 09:13:44 PM
Quote from: Siege on August 17, 2011, 08:41:37 PM
Quote from: KRonn on August 17, 2011, 12:30:03 PM
Russia and India work together on a new fighter. I hadn't heard of this before; was kind of surprised as I thought India was moving away from Russia.


Doesn't look too stealthy in that pic.
Also, why are we so cozy with India when they do these kind of deals with the russians?


Probably because you do these kinds of deals with Pakistan.

Wait that didn't make any sense...

Berkut

#20
August 17, 2011, 09:17:57 PM
If only we had a solid ally who would do these kinds of deals with us.
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Viking

#21
August 17, 2011, 09:26:01 PM Last Edit: August 17, 2011, 09:27:52 PM by Viking
Quote from: Berkut on August 17, 2011, 09:17:57 PM
If only we had a solid ally who would do these kinds of deals with us.

:secret:

http://www.jsf.mil/program/prog_intl.htm

Quote: United Kingdom United Kingdom (signed 17 Jan 2001 for $2B)
: Italy Italy (signed 24 Jun 2002 for $1B)
: Netherlands Netherlands (signed 17 Jun 2002 for $800M)
: Turkey Turkey (signed 11 Jun 2002 for $175M)
: Canada Canada (signed 7 Feb 2002 for $150M)
: Australia Australia* (signed 31 Oct 2002 for $150M)
: Denmark Denmark (signed 28 May 2002 for $125M)
: Norway Norway* (signed 20 Jun 2002 for $125M)

4,525 Billion dollars from your allies to pay for JSF development. These costs are in proportion to expected purchase of planes.
First Maxim - "There are only two amounts, too few and enough."
First Corollary - "You cannot have too many soldiers, only too few supplies."
Second Maxim - "Be willing to exchange a bad idea for a good one."
Second Corollary - "You can only be wrong or agree with me."

A terrorist which starts a slaughter quoting Locke, Burke and Mill has completely missed the point.
The fact remains that the only person or group to applaud the Norway massacre are random Islamists.

CountDeMoney

#22
August 17, 2011, 10:18:34 PM
Quote from: Viking on August 17, 2011, 09:26:01 PM
4,525 Billion dollars from your allies to pay for JSF development.

With firmware hacked by the PLA.  Awesomeness.

derspiess

#23
August 17, 2011, 10:24:03 PM
Quote from: Razgovory on August 17, 2011, 05:16:20 PM
If it's a real plane the Russians will just make five or six for their forces then export a crap version to other countries.  If it's just an existing plane with cosmetic changes then they adopt it wholeheartedly.

And if it's something that scares the shit out of us, we'll later find that it's a flying turd, a la MiG-25.
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Viking

#24
August 17, 2011, 10:28:23 PM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on August 17, 2011, 10:18:34 PM
Quote from: Viking on August 17, 2011, 09:26:01 PM
4,525 Billion dollars from your allies to pay for JSF development.

With firmware hacked by the PLA.  Awesomeness.

No, we pay you to develop a plane from us. Norway's technical contribution is an anti-ship missile designed specifically for the JSF.
First Maxim - "There are only two amounts, too few and enough."
First Corollary - "You cannot have too many soldiers, only too few supplies."
Second Maxim - "Be willing to exchange a bad idea for a good one."
Second Corollary - "You can only be wrong or agree with me."

A terrorist which starts a slaughter quoting Locke, Burke and Mill has completely missed the point.
The fact remains that the only person or group to applaud the Norway massacre are random Islamists.

Tonitrus

#25
August 18, 2011, 02:05:55 AM
Quote from: Viking on August 17, 2011, 10:28:23 PM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on August 17, 2011, 10:18:34 PM
Quote from: Viking on August 17, 2011, 09:26:01 PM
4,525 Billion dollars from your allies to pay for JSF development.

With firmware hacked by the PLA.  Awesomeness.

No, we pay you to develop a plane from us. Norway's technical contribution is an anti-ship missile designed specifically for the JSF.

You just want to use the JSF to hunt whales.  :mad:

Neil

#26
August 18, 2011, 08:09:07 AM
Quote from: Viking on August 17, 2011, 10:28:23 PM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on August 17, 2011, 10:18:34 PM
Quote from: Viking on August 17, 2011, 09:26:01 PM
4,525 Billion dollars from your allies to pay for JSF development.
With firmware hacked by the PLA.  Awesomeness.
No, we pay you to develop a plane from us. Norway's technical contribution is an anti-ship missile designed specifically for the JSF.

"While the effectiveness of the Harpoon II against warships is somewhat limited, the missile has been found to be extremely effective against marine mammals and Somali pirates in inflatable boats."
I do not hate you, nor do I love you, but you are made out of atoms which I can use for something else.

Viking

#27
August 18, 2011, 09:12:31 AM
Quote from: Neil on August 18, 2011, 08:09:07 AM
Quote from: Viking on August 17, 2011, 10:28:23 PM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on August 17, 2011, 10:18:34 PM
Quote from: Viking on August 17, 2011, 09:26:01 PM
4,525 Billion dollars from your allies to pay for JSF development.
With firmware hacked by the PLA.  Awesomeness.
No, we pay you to develop a plane from us. Norway's technical contribution is an anti-ship missile designed specifically for the JSF.

"While the effectiveness of the Harpoon II against warships is somewhat limited, the missile has been found to be extremely effective against marine mammals and Somali pirates in inflatable boats."

The Harpoon Block II is a very good missile. Missiles have always been good at killing Dreadnaughts. I suppose the Naval Strike Missile (NSM) would be able to sink any refloated Dreadnaughts out there.
First Maxim - "There are only two amounts, too few and enough."
First Corollary - "You cannot have too many soldiers, only too few supplies."
Second Maxim - "Be willing to exchange a bad idea for a good one."
Second Corollary - "You can only be wrong or agree with me."

A terrorist which starts a slaughter quoting Locke, Burke and Mill has completely missed the point.
The fact remains that the only person or group to applaud the Norway massacre are random Islamists.

grumbler

#28
August 18, 2011, 11:15:02 AM
Quote from: Viking on August 18, 2011, 09:12:31 AM
Naval Strike Missile (NSM)[/url] would be able to sink any refloated Dreadnaughts out there.
Nope.  The response of a refloated dreadnought to being hit by an NSM would be to announce "sweepers, sweepers, man you brooms!" on the general announcing system.

Frag/blast warheads might shred some topside sheet metal, but dreadnoughts are armored and frag/blast warheads don't do armor.

Oh, and if you'd bother to read your cites, Fritz-X was a bomb, not a missile.
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Viking

#29
August 18, 2011, 11:43:05 AM
Quote from: grumbler on August 18, 2011, 11:15:02 AM
Quote from: Viking on August 18, 2011, 09:12:31 AM
Naval Strike Missile (NSM)[/url] would be able to sink any refloated Dreadnaughts out there.
Nope.  The response of a refloated dreadnought to being hit by an NSM would be to announce "sweepers, sweepers, man you brooms!" on the general announcing system.

Frag/blast warheads might shred some topside sheet metal, but dreadnoughts are armored and frag/blast warheads don't do armor.

Oh, and if you'd bother to read your cites, Fritz-X was a bomb, not a missile.

Fritz-X was a bomb, not a rocket. A missile is anything that is thrown or launched. The Fritz-X was propelled by the Dornier's engines that launched it.
First Maxim - "There are only two amounts, too few and enough."
First Corollary - "You cannot have too many soldiers, only too few supplies."
Second Maxim - "Be willing to exchange a bad idea for a good one."
Second Corollary - "You can only be wrong or agree with me."

A terrorist which starts a slaughter quoting Locke, Burke and Mill has completely missed the point.
The fact remains that the only person or group to applaud the Norway massacre are random Islamists.
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