Canada "too small" to develop Northwest Passage shipping, diplomat says

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jimmy olsen

Canada's economy is larger than Russia's and their GDP per capita much larger. Surely they have the money, why aren't they making a play for this?
What are your opinions Canucks?

http://www.canada.com/news/Canada+small+develop+Northwest+Passage+shipping+diplomat+says/5224606/story.html#ixzz1UfghUkvY
QuoteCanada "too small" to develop Northwest Passage shipping, diplomat says


By Beatrice Fantoni, Postmedia News August 8, 2011

Canada will lose out to Russia's Arctic shipping routes because it is too small to finance the infrastructure, France's ambassador for the polar regions said Monday.

Melting polar ice will make Canada's Northwest Passage more accessible in the next decades, but Canada does not seem interested in exploiting it for shipping, said Michel Rocard, who recently returned from a tour of the Arctic aboard the Canadian icebreaker Amundsen.

"I have the impression that Canada has given up on the competition to attract a large part of the traffic in 25 or 30 years," Rocard said.

The former French prime minister said Canada is "too small to finance itself the infrastructure" needed to spur commercial shipping through its Northwest Passage — a shorter route between European and Asian markets than the Suez and Panama canals. In contrast, Rocard said, Russia is an "Arctic force" with several icebreakers, including four new nuclear-powered ones.

Rob Huebert, a professor in circumpolar relations at the University of Calgary, said it's not a question of being "too small" but rather one of political will and economics determining how fast Canada moves on developing transpolar trade.

"We still haven't really made up our minds if we want international shipping coming though our waterways," Huebert said. "Because there's still ice there's not the economic argument for transpolar shipping."

Huebert said shipping companies that transit through the Panama Canal or around the tip of South America still can't be convinced to take the northern route because it requires an icebreaker escort and the shipping season is shorter.

He added there is no "concentrated effort" to chart Canada's Arctic waterways to reflect recent changes in sea ice, making it dangerous in some cases for vessels to travel through.

U.S. researchers have said global warming could leave the region ice-free by 2030.

Michael Byers, an expert in international law and the Arctic at the University of British Columbia, said the Northwest Passage will "almost certainly" be open in September and October for vessels of any kind, not just icebreakers, because the sea ice is growing weaker.

"The 'deepwater route' from Lancaster Sound through Barrow Strait . . . has the depth and width to easily accommodate supertankers and other supersized vessels," Byers told Postmedia News in an email.

However, Byers said, opening up to transpolar shipping raises some difficult questions on how Canada will protect against oil spills or criminal activity — while its sovereignty over the waterway is still a matter of dispute.

"Foreign shipping companies want world class navigation aids, charts, search and rescue, ports of refuge, policing and icebreaker assistance. If Canada builds an 'Arctic Gateway' to the world through these kinds of investments, foreign companies and governments will quickly become more accepting of Canadian sovereignty," Byers said.

Rocard said that Russia's Arctic passage along the Siberian coast is less winding and has fewer islands than Canada's Northwest Passage, but it is a bit longer. And while Resolute Bay in Canada's far north has a mere 280 inhabitants, Russia's northernmost port cities of Murmansk and Arkhangelsk are home to 300,000 and 350,000 people, respectively.

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the article tells you why its too small. its north is empty, russia`s isnt
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jimmy olsen

Quote from: Tyr on August 14, 2011, 08:14:17 AM
the article tells you why its too small. its north is empty, russia`s isnt
That can be got around with the application of the right amount of money.
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Quote from: Tyr on August 14, 2011, 08:14:17 AM
the article tells you why its too small. its north is empty, russia`s isnt

QuoteHowever, Byers said, opening up to transpolar shipping raises some difficult questions on how Canada will protect against oil spills or criminal activity — while its sovereignty over the waterway is still a matter of dispute.

hmmm...
First Maxim - "There are only two amounts, too few and enough."
First Corollary - "You cannot have too many soldiers, only too few supplies."
Second Maxim - "Be willing to exchange a bad idea for a good one."
Second Corollary - "You can only be wrong or agree with me."

A terrorist which starts a slaughter quoting Locke, Burke and Mill has completely missed the point.
The fact remains that the only person or group to applaud the Norway massacre are random Islamists.

Grey Fox

If Small means lacking the political will to shell out the money to do it properly. Then yes, we are.

I thought Harper would drum that beat properly but even him is a let down in this case.

The disadvantage of having no direct mirror of the Murmansk region is something that will be, of course, very hard to overcome no matter how much money we poor into our Artic.

None the less, the Northwest passage is in Canadian Territorial Water.
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Viking

I suppose the distance Murmansk - Bering Strait is the same as the distance Halifax - Bering Strait, thought in the case of the NW passage a much greater part of the distance would be expected to remain ice free.

I think the infrastructure required might be a fleet of 10-20 heavy ice breakers along with 10-20 safe harbours capable of supplying and repairing the same ice breakers as well as sheltering any ships that might seek to make the passage.
First Maxim - "There are only two amounts, too few and enough."
First Corollary - "You cannot have too many soldiers, only too few supplies."
Second Maxim - "Be willing to exchange a bad idea for a good one."
Second Corollary - "You can only be wrong or agree with me."

A terrorist which starts a slaughter quoting Locke, Burke and Mill has completely missed the point.
The fact remains that the only person or group to applaud the Norway massacre are random Islamists.

Josephus

Quote from: jimmy olsen on August 14, 2011, 08:30:51 AM
Quote from: Tyr on August 14, 2011, 08:14:17 AM
the article tells you why its too small. its north is empty, russia`s isnt
That can be got around with the application of the right amount of money.

Canada is not spending money on anything right now. :( Also to spend money on the Northwest Passage would be tacit agreement in climate change, which I'm not sure our Conservative government wants to do.
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I've given it serious thought. I must scorn the ways of my family, and seek a Japanese woman to yield me my progeny. He shall live in the lands of the east, and be well tutored in his sacred trust to weave the best traditions of Japan and the Sacred South together, until such time as he (or, indeed his house, which will periodically require infusion of both Southern and Japanese bloodlines of note) can deliver to the South it's independence, either in this world or in space.  -Lettow April of 2011

Raz is right. -MadImmortalMan March of 2017

Viking

First Maxim - "There are only two amounts, too few and enough."
First Corollary - "You cannot have too many soldiers, only too few supplies."
Second Maxim - "Be willing to exchange a bad idea for a good one."
Second Corollary - "You can only be wrong or agree with me."

A terrorist which starts a slaughter quoting Locke, Burke and Mill has completely missed the point.
The fact remains that the only person or group to applaud the Norway massacre are random Islamists.

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Quote from: Viking on August 14, 2011, 01:39:26 PM
Quote from: Neil on August 14, 2011, 01:22:43 PM
More like the Somalia of the north.

But with Aircraft carriers and Guided Missile cruisers..
Russia have aircraft carriers? No way!



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