GOP debate

[Razgovory]

The idea that I should be reduced to poverty because the government makes a mistake does not strike me as an improvement over the current system.   

Indeed. That IS the current system.

I didn't have to give up my veggies or silk stockings or any other good due to the Iraq War.

[Neil]

The idea that I should be reduced to poverty because the government makes a mistake does not strike me as an improvement over the current system.   

Indeed. That IS the current system.

That's every system.

[Eddie Teach]

When wars are "cheap" from the perspective of the average person, there's no real disincentive to getting involved in quagmires like Iraq.

It may be "cheap" compared to WWII, but it was certainly expensive enough to serve as a disincentive. As hopefully it has done so in regards to Libya.

[KRonn]

From afar, the fact of strong job creation in Texas; the state budget  under control, are two things that I can think of that are talked about with him. But what I don't know is how much is his doing.

WTF?  Um our state budget is royally screwed which is incredible given how strong the state's economy is.  Perry's leadership is basically to ignore problems and put them off as long as possible and pray.  Lots of praying and putting his foot in his mouth.  And lots of bullying and political cronyism and corruption.

Our strong job creation is the result of long standing political philosophies in Texas that have been in existance for a long time.

Besides as I tried to explain to you guys before the Texas Governor has very little real power.  It is mostly a job of convincing and unofficial power (which Perry largely abuses) and generally a terrible audition job for being a US President.

Well, good to know from someone who lives there. I've had similar views when Mass pols run for national office, like Dukakis for President in the late 80s. As I said, I'm going from what is being reported, and so far it seems that Perry is being shown in a pretty good way. It's not my view, but what I'm hearing of. But the issues you talk of will, or should, come out as the campaign goes on and his opponents will bring this stuff out. As of now though, my thoughts on him are a lot more negative, as maybe he is a do nothing pol like you say, and damn, we don't need anymore of those on the national stage.

[Viking]

I can't help thinking that if Romney had defended the Massachusetts health care system with the phrase "Massachusetts has 10 democratic congressmen. The people of Massachusetts got the health care system that they wanted. blablabla Now the American people need to get the Health Care system that they want and deserve." He would have safely weasled out the problem and gone up in my estimation while establishing that any bleeding heart policy he might have had while in Massachusetts is irrelevant, because Massachusetts is populated with MoveOnIstas and radical liberal god hating atheists.

But he didn't...

[Iormlund]

You're counting on Republican voters to be reasonable there Viking. In reality they would have chided him anyway, for having failed to immolate himself in a holy crusade against the death panels. No compromise!

[Jacob]

New Yorker article on Bachmann. Some interesting bits in there: http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2011/08/15/110815fa_fact_lizza?currentPage=1

[Viking]

You're counting on Republican voters to be reasonable there Viking. In reality they would have chided him anyway, for having failed to immolate himself in a holy crusade against the death panels. No compromise!

This is why Obama will win.

[Palisadoes]

Texan governor - Perry, or something - seems to have positive reviews from the BBC here today. He looks presidential too.

[Admiral Yi]

Has Romney's heckler zerg rush at the Iowa state fair already been mentioned somewhere?

[Fate]

Texan governor - Perry, or something - seems to have positive reviews from the BBC here today. He looks presidential too.

Do people seriously think a Shrub lackey is going to win against Obama? Sure, Romney has a shot, but Perry was Bush's Lt. Governor for christ's sake.

[Eddie Teach]

Texan governor - Perry, or something - seems to have positive reviews from the BBC here today. He looks presidential too.

He looks like a soap opera star to me.

[alfred russel]

I can't help thinking that if Romney had defended the Massachusetts health care system with the phrase "Massachusetts has 10 democratic congressmen. The people of Massachusetts got the health care system that they wanted. blablabla Now the American people need to get the Health Care system that they want and deserve." He would have safely weasled out the problem and gone up in my estimation while establishing that any bleeding heart policy he might have had while in Massachusetts is irrelevant, because Massachusetts is populated with MoveOnIstas and radical liberal god hating atheists.

But he didn't...

He definitely has a health care problem for the Republican primary, and what you wrote is one way to try to diffuse it, but...

Wouldn't he be announcing that he rolled over and passed a bad bill? The attacks then would be that he was confronted with an early version of Obamacare and rather than having the courage to fight the moveonistas, he meekly signed it into law. Then there would be the problem that he took credit for it and ran on it during the 2008 election.

[Viking]

I can't help thinking that if Romney had defended the Massachusetts health care system with the phrase "Massachusetts has 10 democratic congressmen. The people of Massachusetts got the health care system that they wanted. blablabla Now the American people need to get the Health Care system that they want and deserve." He would have safely weasled out the problem and gone up in my estimation while establishing that any bleeding heart policy he might have had while in Massachusetts is irrelevant, because Massachusetts is populated with MoveOnIstas and radical liberal god hating atheists.

But he didn't...

He definitely has a health care problem for the Republican primary, and what you wrote is one way to try to diffuse it, but...

Wouldn't he be announcing that he rolled over and passed a bad bill? The attacks then would be that he was confronted with an early version of Obamacare and rather than having the courage to fight the moveonistas, he meekly signed it into law. Then there would be the problem that he took credit for it and ran on it during the 2008 election.

Yes, Obama was brilliant in adopting a republican centrist health care reform plan rather than going for a democratic one. Basically it either means easy passage or removing any centrist republicans from any future presidential race in 2012.

[MadImmortalMan]

The idea that I should be reduced to poverty because the government makes a mistake does not strike me as an improvement over the current system.   

Indeed. That IS the current system.

I didn't have to give up my veggies or silk stockings or any other good due to the Iraq War.

Yeah, we put Iraq on the credit card.