Future of war: Private robot armies fight it out

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jimmy olsen

If people are stupid enough to let this happen, we'll deserve to be destroyed when our robot minions inevitably rise against us.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/44034768/ns/technology_and_science-innovation/
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Future of war: Private robot armies fight it out
Technology opens way for unlimited algorithm-run clashes of DIY terminators

If robots are simply computers with wings (and missiles), then expect to see future wars fought by the descendants of flash-trading algorithms, with humans as anxious bystanders, one scholar says.
By Greg Lindsay
updated 8/6/2011 3:12:35 PM ET 2011-08-06T19:12:35


Last month, NATO's commanders in Libya went with caps-in-hand to the Pentagon to ask for reconnaissance help in the form of more Predator drones. "It's getting more difficult to find stuff to blow up," a senior NATO officer complained to The Los Angeles Times. The Libyan rebels' envoy in Washington had already made a similar request. "We can't get rid of (Moammar Gadhafi) by throwing eggs at him," the envoy told the newspaper.

The Pentagon told both camps it would think about it, citing the need for drones in places like Yemen, Somalia and Pakistan, where Predator strikes have killed dozens this month alone. So why doesn't NATO or the rebels do what Cote d'Ivoire's Air Force, Mexican police and college student peacekeepers have done — buy, rent or build drones of their own? The development of deadly hardware and software is leading to a democratization of war tech, which could soon mean that every army — private or national — has battalions of automated soldiers at their command.

"Drones are essentially flying — and sometimes armed — computers," the Brookings Institution noted in a paper published last month. They're robots that follow the curve of Moore's Law rather than the Pentagon's budgets, rapidly evolving in performance since the Predator's 2002 debut while falling in price to the point where Make magazine recently carried instructions on how to launch your own satellite for $8,000.

"You have high school kids competing in robotics competitions with equipment that 10 years ago would have been considered military-grade," says Peter W. Singer, author of "Wired for War" and a senior fellow at Brookings, who predicts robots on the battlefield will be a paradigm-shifting "revolution in military affairs." First comes the high-tech arms race with China, Israel and all the other nations competing to build their own drones. Then comes the low-cost trickle-down into low-tech wars like Libya's, where tomorrow's rag-tag militias fight with DIY drones. Finally, if robots are simply computers with wings (and missiles), then expect to see future wars fought by the descendants of flash-trading algorithms, with humans as anxious bystanders.

Flattening the battlespace
Since the Predator first appeared above Afghanistan nearly a decade ago, the Pentagon's inventory of drones has risen from less than 50 devices to more than 7,000. But the gap between the U.S. and its closest competitors may actually be shrinking. China, for example, has pinned its military ambitions on 2,000 missiles guided by target data from some two-dozen models of surveillance drones.

The worldwide drone market is projected by the Teal Group to be worth $94 billion over the next decade, led by the Pentagon, which has asked Congress for $5 billion for next year's expenses alone. One reason for the ballooning arms race between anywhere from 44 to 70 nations (depending on which estimate you believe) is self-interest. So far, the Pentagon has refused to share its toys, instituting tight export controls on drones such as the Predator or Reaper, both of which are made by General Atomics.

Another is purely financial. An F-22 stealth fighter costs $150 million, roughly 15 times a top-of-the-line Predator. The U.S. military's blank check of a budget — more than the rest of the world's combined — means little and less when the cost of drones keeps falling.

But the most important factor may be doctrinal. Unlike the U.S., which is still feeling its way forward with robotic warriors while entrenched generals fight for their tanks and aircraft carriers, small nations with shrinking budgets stand to gain the most from embracing robotic warfare.

"There's no such thing as a first-mover advantage in war," says Singer. "This technology is different than an aircraft carrier. You don't need a big military infrastructure to use it, or even to build it. This is more akin to the open source movement in software. You're flattening the battlespace, and the barriers to entry for other actors is falling."
Predator soars to record number of sorties

Peak arms
In 2004, French troops arrived in Cote d'Ivoire to help police a cease-fire in the country's simmering civil war. Not expecting trouble, they left their air defenses at home. But on Nov. 4, 2004, a pair of Israeli-made Aerostar drones circled their base, reconnoitering targets for the Russian-made jets that bombed them a few hours later, killing nine soldiers and a U.S. aid worker. The drones belonged to an Israeli private military firm hired by Ivorian President Laurent Gbagbo, who claimed (unconvincingly) that the whole thing was an accident.

Hiring drone-bearing mercenaries is easy when you're a president; what about when you're a college student? A year later, a trio of Swarthmore students formed the Genocide Intervention Network to help bring attention to Darfur. After raising almost half-a-million dollars in donations, the group solicited a bid from Evergreen International to remotely fly four surveillance drones above Sudan, documenting atrocities. Sadly, the price tag was a cool $22 million a year. (They passed.)

Today, they would toss the project on Kickstarter and build their drone using Arduino modules developed by hobbyist sites such as DIY Drones. In a recent essay, the consultant and futurist Scott Smith noted that both the "maker" movement and the Libyan rebels desperately hacking together weaponry are drawing on the same open source knowledge base. Or for that matter, so are the Mexican drug cartels assembling their own tanks and submarines.

"We've come to a point where you put together a parallel system to the U.S. Department of Defense," says Smith. And also to the point where the DoD is soliciting the hobbyists themselves to be the next generation of weapon designers via DARPA's crowdsourcing effort, UAVForge. "If I were at a major arms contractor, I would be worried about being disrupted," Smith says.

He wonders if the world is headed toward "peak arms," in which open source, distributed, low-cost tools fatally undermine big-ticket weapons sales in all but a few cases (most of them involving the Strait of Taiwan). And that goes double for non-state actors, e.g. roll-your-own NGOs and drug cartels. "The era of large scale, run-and-gun DIY micro-warfare is just around the corner," Smith concludes.

The robot wars
The trajectory of drones and warbots is the same as computing in general — smaller, cheaper, more ubiquitous. In February, AeroVironment unveiled the prototype of a hummingbird-sized drone that can perch on a windowsill can peer in. Insect-size is next.

But the shift from a single pair of eyes in the sky to a swarm of bots would create havoc with U.S. military doctrine, which requires having a human operator at all times, or a "man in the loop." This is one reason why the Air Force is training more remote pilots this year (some 350) than bomber and fighter pilots combined. Then again, that's not nearly enough for 7,000 drones, let alone 7 million, all of which would have the intelligence to fight or fly on their own, with faster-than-human response times.

That's why the definition of "in the loop" is blurring from direct human control "to a veto power we're unwilling to use," says Singer. In the case of missile defense systems already in use, "you can turn it on or off," but you can't pick and choose which bogeys to shoot. "The speed and complexity is such that the human interface has to be minimized to be effective," he adds, which suggests the generals in "WarGames" were right all along.

Or were they? Releasing increasingly autonomous warbots into the wild will demand new algorithms to command them, raising the specter of a "flash crash" on the battlefield as opposing algorithms clash and chase each other's tails. Or what if hackers were to assemble a botnet for real: an army of machines ready to do their bidding? Perhaps a decade from now, there will be no "cyber war." There will only be war.
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Razgovory

And he's come back with an extra stupid article.
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Slargos

It's pretty funny. I recall reading those popular science magazines when I was little, and from time to time an article about "the future of human evolution" would pop up. Theorizing, of course, that Homo Futurus would be completely hairless and that "useless" extremities like the little finger would eventually atrophy and disappear.

All I could think was, "fuck you, idiots, mankind will be supplanted by machines long before that can happen".

And lo and behold, it might even happen in my life time. That I'd not imagined.  :D

Best case scenario, androids or consciousness transfers. They've already made several worst-case scenario movies starring Austrian actors.  :P

Tonitrus

This notion was debunked by third-rate science fiction novels over two decades ago....


Slargos

Quote from: Razgovory on August 10, 2011, 06:40:45 PM
And he's come back with an extra stupid article.

Doesn't really matter what this particular article says. The day when robotic armies settle wars are going to come sooner or later, unless we manage to wipe ourselves out first. The only question is whether those robotics will be autonomous or not.

Razgovory

Quote from: Slargos on August 10, 2011, 06:41:15 PM
It's pretty funny. I recall reading those popular science magazines when I was little, and from time to time an article about "the future of human evolution" would pop up. Theorizing, of course, that Homo Futurus would be completely hairless and that "useless" extremities like the little finger would eventually atrophy and disappear.

All I could think was, "fuck you, idiots, mankind will be supplanted by machines long before that can happen".

And lo and behold, it might even happen in my life time. That I'd not imagined.  :D

Best case scenario, androids or consciousness transfers. They've already made several worst-case scenario movies starring Austrian actors.  :P


Stupid man reads stupid magazine.  News at eleven.
I've given it serious thought. I must scorn the ways of my family, and seek a Japanese woman to yield me my progeny. He shall live in the lands of the east, and be well tutored in his sacred trust to weave the best traditions of Japan and the Sacred South together, until such time as he (or, indeed his house, which will periodically require infusion of both Southern and Japanese bloodlines of note) can deliver to the South it's independence, either in this world or in space.  -Lettow April of 2011

Raz is right. -MadImmortalMan March of 2017

Razgovory

Quote from: Slargos on August 10, 2011, 06:43:32 PM
Quote from: Razgovory on August 10, 2011, 06:40:45 PM
And he's come back with an extra stupid article.

Doesn't really matter what this particular article says. The day when robotic armies settle wars are going to come sooner or later, unless we manage to wipe ourselves out first. The only question is whether those robotics will be autonomous or not.

Yes, but who will sell them cabinets?  Unless they make robots capable of selling cabinets I think you'll do okay.
I've given it serious thought. I must scorn the ways of my family, and seek a Japanese woman to yield me my progeny. He shall live in the lands of the east, and be well tutored in his sacred trust to weave the best traditions of Japan and the Sacred South together, until such time as he (or, indeed his house, which will periodically require infusion of both Southern and Japanese bloodlines of note) can deliver to the South it's independence, either in this world or in space.  -Lettow April of 2011

Raz is right. -MadImmortalMan March of 2017

Viking

Now that Apple has more cash than the Federal Government...

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I would fear IKEA robots. The left arm would wobble, and the right arm would shoot meatballs.
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Slargos

Quote from: Razgovory on August 10, 2011, 06:44:46 PM
Quote from: Slargos on August 10, 2011, 06:41:15 PM
It's pretty funny. I recall reading those popular science magazines when I was little, and from time to time an article about "the future of human evolution" would pop up. Theorizing, of course, that Homo Futurus would be completely hairless and that "useless" extremities like the little finger would eventually atrophy and disappear.

All I could think was, "fuck you, idiots, mankind will be supplanted by machines long before that can happen".

And lo and behold, it might even happen in my life time. That I'd not imagined.  :D

Best case scenario, androids or consciousness transfers. They've already made several worst-case scenario movies starring Austrian actors.  :P


Stupid man reads stupid magazine.  News at eleven.

:lol:

:console:

Razgovory

Quote from: Ed Anger on August 10, 2011, 06:48:36 PM
I would fear IKEA robots. The left arm would wobble, and the right arm would shoot meatballs.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QEwzbHJNkwg  Yes I'm lame enough to post this.
I've given it serious thought. I must scorn the ways of my family, and seek a Japanese woman to yield me my progeny. He shall live in the lands of the east, and be well tutored in his sacred trust to weave the best traditions of Japan and the Sacred South together, until such time as he (or, indeed his house, which will periodically require infusion of both Southern and Japanese bloodlines of note) can deliver to the South it's independence, either in this world or in space.  -Lettow April of 2011

Raz is right. -MadImmortalMan March of 2017

jimmy olsen

It is far better for the truth to tear my flesh to pieces, then for my soul to wander through darkness in eternal damnation.

Jet: So what kind of woman is she? What's Julia like?
Faye: Ordinary. The kind of beautiful, dangerous ordinary that you just can't leave alone.
Jet: I see.
Faye: Like an angel from the underworld. Or a devil from Paradise.
--------------------------------------------
1 Karma Chameleon point


Neil

Quote from: Slargos on August 10, 2011, 06:41:15 PM
Best case scenario, androids or consciousness transfers.
There's no such thing as a consciousness transfer.  That's like believing in magic.
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