US AAA credit rating downgraded

[Legbiter]

I am with Yi. I think without the brinksmanship our overall situation in regards to the debt mess would be worse, not better.

Well, next time your boys can burn the house down completely with a full-on default and you'll be ecstatic.

[dps]

So...none of the Rebublican posters have any issues with which your party has conducted itself?


Really?

Who here actually identifies as a Republican?  Derspiess, Strix, and Garbon--and I'm not too sure about the first 2.

[Berkut]

I am with Yi. I think without the brinksmanship our overall situation in regards to the debt mess would be worse, not better.

Well, next time your boys can burn the house down completely with a full-on default and you'll be ecstatic.

What are you babbling about?

[garbon]

Who here actually identifies as a Republican?  Derspiess, Strix, and Garbon--and I'm not too sure about the first 2.

Yeah although mine's more an affectation as I've always voted as a social liberal on ballot measures and I've always lived in places where voting Republican is little more than a protest measure.

[garbon]

I am with Yi. I think without the brinksmanship our overall situation in regards to the debt mess would be worse, not better.

Well, next time your boys can burn the house down completely with a full-on default and you'll be ecstatic.

What are you babbling about?

I mean, look who it is.

[Admiral Yi]

Obama supported the Simpson deficit reduction plan before then, no?

All I heard from Obama after the Simpson Boyles report came out was that deficit reduction was a very important task but that in the short term the recovery was too fragile for any reductions in spending, although making millionaires and billionares pay their fair share would have the benefit of reducing the deficit.  Then Obama's last important legislative act before the GOP grabbed the majority in the House was to push through an extension of the Bush tax cuts, an extension of unemployment benefits to 99 weeks, and (I think) an extension of the payroll tax reduction.

[Admiral Yi]

Standard and Poor.

6.2 billion over ten years.  Would S&P have found that adequate?

Trillion, not billion.  I'm guessing they would have found it considerably more adequate than 2 trillion.

[Faeelin]

Obama supported the Simpson deficit reduction plan before then, no?

All I heard from Obama after the Simpson Boyles report came out was that deficit reduction was a very important task but that in the short term the recovery was too fragile for any reductions in spending, although making millionaires and billionares pay their fair share would have the benefit of reducing the deficit.  Then Obama's last important legislative act before the GOP grabbed the majority in the House was to push through an extension of the Bush tax cuts, an extension of unemployment benefits to 99 weeks, and (I think) an extension of the payroll tax reduction.

And given your comments, those are tax cuts the Republicans want eliminated to pay for the deficit, right?

[CountDeMoney]

I am with Yi. I think without the brinksmanship our overall situation in regards to the debt mess would be worse, not better.

[Admiral Yi]

So...none of the Rebublican posters have any issues with which your party has conducted itself?


Really?

I am technically still a Republican by virtue of the fuckups at the Johnston County auditor's office who failed to process my request for a change of party from Republican to Independent.

And I have issues with the way Republicans have conducted themselves.

[Admiral Yi]

And given your comments, those are tax cuts the Republicans want eliminated to pay for the deficit, right?

And what the fuck does that have to do with Obama's support for deficit reduction?

[Berkut]

I am with Yi. I think without the brinksmanship our overall situation in regards to the debt mess would be worse, not better.

With your attitude that we can solve all our problems by just taxing "the rich" enough being reflective of the anti-TP retards in the Dem party, I am pretty certain I am correct in my assessment of the odds that the Dems would have pushed through any actual spending reductions.

[Razgovory]

So...none of the Rebublican posters have any issues with which your party has conducted itself?


Really?

Who here actually identifies as a Republican?  Derspiess, Strix, and Garbon--and I'm not too sure about the first 2.

We've always had Crypto-Republicans.  Sometimes they call themselves Libertarians, sometimes they call themselves moderates, sometimes rationally non-partisan. 

[Razgovory]

Standard and Poor.

6.2 billion over ten years.  Would S&P have found that adequate?

Trillion, not billion.  I'm guessing they would have found it considerably more adequate than 2 trillion.

Adequate enough to avoid the downgrade?  Do you honestly believe that Congress will hold through with a budget plan that goes to 2030 (when the plan projects a balanced budget).

[Admiral Yi]

Adequate enough to avoid the downgrade?  Do you honestly believe that Congress will hold through with a budget plan that goes to 2030 (when the plan projects a balanced budget).

Let me give the boys at S&P a quick call to see if 6.2 would have been enough.  Or you could do it yourself.

How the fuck am I supposed to know Raz?

Not sure I understand the logic behind the second question.  No, we can't guarantee that future Congresses will not undo everything that has been done.  They could increase monthly Social Security payments to a billion dollars a person and reduce taxes to minus infinity plus two.