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What Would Be In Your Manifesto ?

Started by mongers, July 26, 2011, 09:10:22 AM

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mongers

So if you had to sit down and write a manifesto, what would be in it or what already published single work would you choose ?

By manifesto I mean, well wiki seems to have a fairly good definition : "A manifesto is a public declaration of principles and intentions, often political in nature. Manifestos relating to religious belief are generally referred to as creeds. Manifestos may also be life stance-related."

What prompted me to ask the question, was my reaction to the ramblings of the Norwegian terrorist, I was thinking as others have pointed out, he seems to be an extreme narcissist with zero empathy for his fellow man; what I've read of his writings drips with hate and by the time he committed his crimes there doesn't appear to have been any love left in him. 

So from my own point of view, if forced to write one's manifesto, it would have to be motivated by affection, love and hope in the wider sense of the words; something the New testament has a good deal of. If one was motivated by hate, envy and fear, then I don't see the point and you'll end up with something like ABB wrote, full of islamophobia  or perhaps most dangerously another Mien Kampf.


On a practical level it might be quite useful to have ones own little book, which one could point to and say look this is my creed/religion/faith, so you can't criticise it. 
:P

I say that because I've recently had a few interesting discussions about ethnics and values and in most instances the debate devolves down to them resorting to their 'magic book' as evidence that they've most of the answers.

So a born again Christian friend of mine is a decent, kind and useful member of society, but when push comes to shove, he'll say unfortunately you're going to hell, what you believe in is wrong and the word of god is on his side. 
:hmm:

Another recent example is a wealthy banker friend of mine, slagging off my values as being ineffectual, whilst at the same time upholding current corporate capitalism, conveniently ignoring that in all probability he wouldn't now have a job, but for the nation stepping in an socialising their losses.
:rolleyes:

Interestingly, I think a narrow margin of the Muslims I debate with, will listen to criticism of their holy book, (though its not usually me criticising them), but I think that's only up to a point; but then again I think doing the worse thing you could think of, say burning their book, would enraged them by broadly that same amount as if one would do the same to a bible belonging to a prosthelytize born again Christians.

So how would your manifesto read ? 
"We have it in our power to begin the world over again"

Grey Fox

I don't have any where near the attention span to do something like that.
Colonel Caliga is Awesome.

Martinus


Slargos


mongers

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Quote from: Grey Fox on July 26, 2011, 09:18:58 AM
I don't have any where near the attention span to do something like that.

Well I'm not suggesting some 1200 page ramble, maybe it's short enough to carve in stone (though not in the metephorical sense) like that Indian dude, whose name escapes me, did with those stone pillars a while back.

I'd say in one way you could regard the totality of ones postings here, as a manifesto of some sort ?

The one trick ponies like Hortlund might be easily pigeon-holed in the Nordic ethnic obsession that formed ABB, whilst others like CdM, paint a far more complex picture, but you know beneath it, is a still caring individual.  :P  (that's meant with affection towards Money)
"We have it in our power to begin the world over again"

mongers

Quote from: Martinus on July 26, 2011, 09:19:55 AM
Imagine no religion.  :ph34r:

So how do you go about it ?

I don't want to ask this question, but what's in your manifesto to achieve this ? 
"We have it in our power to begin the world over again"

Martinus

"We shall not rest until the last imam is strangled with the entrails of the last priest."

Neil

An orderly world, where everyone knows who is above them and who is beneath them.  A world where people do what they're told, and where they're told what to do for their own good.  A world where science and progress aren't restrained.  A world where the population of the world is less than half a billion, and breeding is strictly controlled.  A world where we're able to set aside large areas as parkland, where nature can take it's course.  A world where people live in cities.  A world where we treat things like religious fundamentalism and homosexuality as mental disorders, rather than badges of pride.
I do not hate you, nor do I love you, but you are made out of atoms which I can use for something else.

Zanza

When it comes to political ideology, I am pretty boring and consider myself a moderate/centrist. I believe that minor changes here and there within the limits of our constitution are enough to make our already fairly well-working society and state work a bit better. I can't think of any radical positions that I would adhere to. So my manifesto wouldn't be very interesting.

jimmy olsen

It is far better for the truth to tear my flesh to pieces, then for my soul to wander through darkness in eternal damnation.

Jet: So what kind of woman is she? What's Julia like?
Faye: Ordinary. The kind of beautiful, dangerous ordinary that you just can't leave alone.
Jet: I see.
Faye: Like an angel from the underworld. Or a devil from Paradise.
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1 Karma Chameleon point

Martinus

Quote from: Neil on July 26, 2011, 09:37:21 AM
An orderly world, where everyone knows who is above them and who is beneath them.  A world where people do what they're told, and where they're told what to do for their own good.  A world where science and progress aren't restrained.  A world where the population of the world is less than half a billion, and breeding is strictly controlled.  A world where we're able to set aside large areas as parkland, where nature can take it's course.  A world where people live in cities.  A world where we treat things like religious fundamentalism and homosexuality as mental disorders, rather than badges of pride.

What's the purpose of treating homosexuality, if you don't breed anyway? Surely, marrying the daughter of your boss is not a social imperative.

Ed Anger

All timmays, flamboyant homos, bloggers, twitter users, podcast makers and users, hipsters, nerds, geeks and mouthy women would be rounded up and disposed of.
Stay Alive...Let the Man Drive

Viking

My manifesto would rant against the evils of

- mushrooms
- surf and turf
- religion
and
- continental philosophy
First Maxim - "There are only two amounts, too few and enough."
First Corollary - "You cannot have too many soldiers, only too few supplies."
Second Maxim - "Be willing to exchange a bad idea for a good one."
Second Corollary - "You can only be wrong or agree with me."

A terrorist which starts a slaughter quoting Locke, Burke and Mill has completely missed the point.
The fact remains that the only person or group to applaud the Norway massacre are random Islamists.

Norgy

Quote from: mongers on July 26, 2011, 09:10:22 AM
So if you had to sit down and write a manifesto, what would be in it or what already published single work would you choose ?


Probably a whole lot of nonsense, with a side of poor observational humour, a sprinkling of self-aggrandising, followed up by immediate self-hatred.
And a really, really bad ending. Like "Anyway, that's how I see it. Okay. The End."

Martinus

Quote from: Ed Anger on July 26, 2011, 10:03:39 AM
All timmays, flamboyant homos, bloggers, twitter users, podcast makers and users, hipsters, nerds, geeks and mouthy women would be rounded up and disposed of.

I'm not flamboyant. I'm a podcast user though.