Pastafarian wins right to wear strainer in driving licence photo

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HVC

#30
July 13, 2011, 11:11:21 AM
Quote from: Viking on July 13, 2011, 10:52:32 AM
Quote from: HVC on July 13, 2011, 10:35:39 AM
Quote from: Grey Fox on July 13, 2011, 10:32:48 AM

No, it's speciest. Cats should be genocided.
Cats are evil and hate people. FYI <_< :P

FYP
wait until CdM gets here. you'll be sorrryyy :D
Being lazy is bad; unless you still get what you want, then it's called "patience".
Hubris must be punished. Severely.

Viking

#31
July 13, 2011, 11:12:55 AM
Quote from: Malthus on July 13, 2011, 11:03:43 AM
Quote from: Grey Fox on July 13, 2011, 10:44:56 AM
Quote from: HisMajestyBOB on July 13, 2011, 10:38:01 AM
Pastafarians and Discordians annoy me far more than any fundamentalist Christian.

Stop giving concessions to real religions & fake religions won't have to make ridiculous points.

The amusing thing is the notion that the sort of trollery represented by the guy in the article is going to convince anyone of anything. Like an Orthodox Jew or a committed Sikh is going to suddenly exclaim 'oh my, this guy looks like a real jerk wearing a strainer on his head and is mocking me for fun. Why, I must be dead wrong about my beliefs!  :hmm: '

This sort of thinking is almost as much fantasy as religion.  ;)

It's not about convincing the true believers. True believers will find ways to believe regardless of what conspiracy theories they have to invent. It is about convincing the believers in belief. The people who accept animal torture by ninja rabbis because some fairytale book they know is untrue says so, the people think that it is ok to cover your face on photographic ID just because some 7th century merchant had an epileptic fit in an arabian cave etc.etc.

No rational argument every work on believers. You cannot use reason to get someone to abandon an opinion they did not reason themselves into.
First Maxim - "There are only two amounts, too few and enough."
First Corollary - "You cannot have too many soldiers, only too few supplies."
Second Maxim - "Be willing to exchange a bad idea for a good one."
Second Corollary - "You can only be wrong or agree with me."

A terrorist which starts a slaughter quoting Locke, Burke and Mill has completely missed the point.
The fact remains that the only person or group to applaud the Norway massacre are random Islamists.

Viking

#32
July 13, 2011, 11:14:06 AM Last Edit: July 13, 2011, 11:16:26 AM by Viking
Quote from: Razgovory on July 13, 2011, 11:04:55 AM
Quote from: Viking on July 13, 2011, 11:03:05 AM


No, like people who assume that regardless of what I actually say your strawman of me is more accurate in describing my views than I can myself.

You believe in memes?

What does that have to do with anything?

Do you even know what a meme is?

When you use the word belief are you referring to justified true belief or the considered acceptance of a proposition (or something else)?
First Maxim - "There are only two amounts, too few and enough."
First Corollary - "You cannot have too many soldiers, only too few supplies."
Second Maxim - "Be willing to exchange a bad idea for a good one."
Second Corollary - "You can only be wrong or agree with me."

A terrorist which starts a slaughter quoting Locke, Burke and Mill has completely missed the point.
The fact remains that the only person or group to applaud the Norway massacre are random Islamists.

Razgovory

#33
July 13, 2011, 11:15:01 AM
Just answer the question.
I've given it serious thought. I must scorn the ways of my family, and seek a Japanese woman to yield me my progeny. He shall live in the lands of the east, and be well tutored in his sacred trust to weave the best traditions of Japan and the Sacred South together, until such time as he (or, indeed his house, which will periodically require infusion of both Southern and Japanese bloodlines of note) can deliver to the South it's independence, either in this world or in space.  -Lettow April of 2011

Raz is right. -MadImmortalMan March of 2017

Razgovory

#34
July 13, 2011, 11:16:03 AM
Quote from: Viking on July 13, 2011, 11:12:55 AM
Quote from: Malthus on July 13, 2011, 11:03:43 AM
Quote from: Grey Fox on July 13, 2011, 10:44:56 AM
Quote from: HisMajestyBOB on July 13, 2011, 10:38:01 AM
Pastafarians and Discordians annoy me far more than any fundamentalist Christian.

Stop giving concessions to real religions & fake religions won't have to make ridiculous points.

The amusing thing is the notion that the sort of trollery represented by the guy in the article is going to convince anyone of anything. Like an Orthodox Jew or a committed Sikh is going to suddenly exclaim 'oh my, this guy looks like a real jerk wearing a strainer on his head and is mocking me for fun. Why, I must be dead wrong about my beliefs!  :hmm: '

This sort of thinking is almost as much fantasy as religion.  ;)

It's not about convincing the true believers. True believers will find ways to believe regardless of what conspiracy theories they have to invent. It is about convincing the believers in belief. The people who accept animal torture by ninja rabbis because some fairytale book they know is untrue says so, the people think that it is ok to cover your face on photographic ID just because some 7th century merchant had an epileptic fit in an arabian cave etc.etc.

No rational argument every work on believers. You cannot use reason to get someone to abandon an opinion they did not reason themselves into.

That reminds me, you never did tell me if catch and release, hand cleaning a fish, and modern fish processing is torture.
I've given it serious thought. I must scorn the ways of my family, and seek a Japanese woman to yield me my progeny. He shall live in the lands of the east, and be well tutored in his sacred trust to weave the best traditions of Japan and the Sacred South together, until such time as he (or, indeed his house, which will periodically require infusion of both Southern and Japanese bloodlines of note) can deliver to the South it's independence, either in this world or in space.  -Lettow April of 2011

Raz is right. -MadImmortalMan March of 2017

Viking

#35
July 13, 2011, 11:16:44 AM
Quote from: Razgovory on July 13, 2011, 11:15:01 AM
Just answer the question.

Define the question.
First Maxim - "There are only two amounts, too few and enough."
First Corollary - "You cannot have too many soldiers, only too few supplies."
Second Maxim - "Be willing to exchange a bad idea for a good one."
Second Corollary - "You can only be wrong or agree with me."

A terrorist which starts a slaughter quoting Locke, Burke and Mill has completely missed the point.
The fact remains that the only person or group to applaud the Norway massacre are random Islamists.

grumbler

#36
July 13, 2011, 11:17:01 AM
Quote from: Malthus on July 13, 2011, 11:03:43 AM
The amusing thing is the notion that the sort of trollery represented by the guy in the article is going to convince anyone of anything. Like an Orthodox Jew or a committed Sikh is going to suddenly exclaim 'oh my, this guy looks like a real jerk wearing a strainer on his head and is mocking me for fun. Why, I must be dead wrong about my beliefs!  :hmm: '

This sort of thinking is almost as much fantasy as religion.  ;)
Thank hod no one but you is making that argument, then!
The future is all around us, waiting, in moments of transition, to be born in moments of revelation. No one knows the shape of that future or where it will take us. We know only that it is always born in pain.   -G'Kar

Bayraktar!

Malthus

#37
July 13, 2011, 11:18:47 AM
Quote from: Viking on July 13, 2011, 11:12:55 AM
It's not about convincing the true believers. True believers will find ways to believe regardless of what conspiracy theories they have to invent. It is about convincing the believers in belief. The people who accept animal torture by ninja rabbis because some fairytale book they know is untrue says so, the people think that it is ok to cover your face on photographic ID just because some 7th century merchant had an epileptic fit in an arabian cave etc.etc.

No rational argument every work on believers. You cannot use reason to get someone to abandon an opinion they did not reason themselves into.

It is pure fantasy. Though no doubt haw-haw amusing, acting the jerk will only convince the not-so-committed believers that you are a jerk. Do Muslims insulting Westerners convince *you* that *they* are right?

The object of life is not to be on the side of the majority, but to escape finding oneself in the ranks of the insane—Marcus Aurelius

Malthus

#38
July 13, 2011, 11:20:24 AM
Quote from: grumbler on July 13, 2011, 11:17:01 AM
Quote from: Malthus on July 13, 2011, 11:03:43 AM
The amusing thing is the notion that the sort of trollery represented by the guy in the article is going to convince anyone of anything. Like an Orthodox Jew or a committed Sikh is going to suddenly exclaim 'oh my, this guy looks like a real jerk wearing a strainer on his head and is mocking me for fun. Why, I must be dead wrong about my beliefs!  :hmm: '

This sort of thinking is almost as much fantasy as religion.  ;)
Thank hod no one but you is making that argument, then!

I guess Viking can now rename himself "No One".  Thank hod.
The object of life is not to be on the side of the majority, but to escape finding oneself in the ranks of the insane—Marcus Aurelius

grumbler

#39
July 13, 2011, 11:20:26 AM
Quote from: Viking on July 13, 2011, 11:12:55 AM
It's not about convincing the true believers. True believers will find ways to believe regardless of what conspiracy theories they have to invent. It is about convincing the believers in belief. The people who accept animal torture by ninja rabbis because some fairytale book they know is untrue says so, the people think that it is ok to cover your face on photographic ID just because some 7th century merchant had an epileptic fit in an arabian cave etc.etc.
Multiple strawmen in a single post!  How efficient of you.

QuoteNo rational argument every work on believers.
Good to see that you have a reason for using irrational arguments, but that fact that rational arguments don't work does not at all imply that these kinds of irrational arguments will work.
The future is all around us, waiting, in moments of transition, to be born in moments of revelation. No one knows the shape of that future or where it will take us. We know only that it is always born in pain.   -G'Kar

Bayraktar!

grumbler

#40
July 13, 2011, 11:23:00 AM
Quote from: Malthus on July 13, 2011, 11:20:24 AM
I guess Viking can now rename himself "No One".  Thank hod.
Viking is beating you in this little "top my strawman argument" contest you guys are having, but you are putting up a good fight, and still have a chance.  Please keep it up.

*pops some more popcorn*
The future is all around us, waiting, in moments of transition, to be born in moments of revelation. No one knows the shape of that future or where it will take us. We know only that it is always born in pain.   -G'Kar

Bayraktar!

Razgovory

#41
July 13, 2011, 11:23:49 AM
Quote from: Viking on July 13, 2011, 11:16:44 AM
Quote from: Razgovory on July 13, 2011, 11:15:01 AM
Just answer the question.

Define the question.

The one I asked in a previous post.

"You believe in memes?" 

Just answer it the best you can.  Then I will insult you and denigrate you.
I've given it serious thought. I must scorn the ways of my family, and seek a Japanese woman to yield me my progeny. He shall live in the lands of the east, and be well tutored in his sacred trust to weave the best traditions of Japan and the Sacred South together, until such time as he (or, indeed his house, which will periodically require infusion of both Southern and Japanese bloodlines of note) can deliver to the South it's independence, either in this world or in space.  -Lettow April of 2011

Raz is right. -MadImmortalMan March of 2017

Malthus

#42
July 13, 2011, 11:25:25 AM
Quote from: grumbler on July 13, 2011, 11:23:00 AM
Quote from: Malthus on July 13, 2011, 11:20:24 AM
I guess Viking can now rename himself "No One".  Thank hod.
Viking is beating you in this little "top my strawman argument" contest you guys are having, but you are putting up a good fight, and still have a chance.  Please keep it up.

*pops some more popcorn*

How can it be a "strawman" if it is the argument he's actually, you know, making?

Please *do* try to keep up.
The object of life is not to be on the side of the majority, but to escape finding oneself in the ranks of the insane—Marcus Aurelius

Viking

#43
July 13, 2011, 11:31:33 AM
Quote from: Malthus on July 13, 2011, 11:18:47 AM
Quote from: Viking on July 13, 2011, 11:12:55 AM
It's not about convincing the true believers. True believers will find ways to believe regardless of what conspiracy theories they have to invent. It is about convincing the believers in belief. The people who accept animal torture by ninja rabbis because some fairytale book they know is untrue says so, the people think that it is ok to cover your face on photographic ID just because some 7th century merchant had an epileptic fit in an arabian cave etc.etc.

No rational argument every work on believers. You cannot use reason to get someone to abandon an opinion they did not reason themselves into.

It is pure fantasy. Though no doubt haw-haw amusing, acting the jerk will only convince the not-so-committed believers that you are a jerk. Do Muslims insulting Westerners convince *you* that *they* are right?

since "making a rational argument that causes cognitive dissonance in true believers holding irrational views" is insulting. Muslims do make some compelling arguments that I agree with. The Muslim case against polytheism, judaism and christianity are quite compelling. The muslim case will never convince a hindu, jew or christian, but it is compelling to all non-hindus, goy and non-christians.
First Maxim - "There are only two amounts, too few and enough."
First Corollary - "You cannot have too many soldiers, only too few supplies."
Second Maxim - "Be willing to exchange a bad idea for a good one."
Second Corollary - "You can only be wrong or agree with me."

A terrorist which starts a slaughter quoting Locke, Burke and Mill has completely missed the point.
The fact remains that the only person or group to applaud the Norway massacre are random Islamists.

Viking

#44
July 13, 2011, 11:33:27 AM
Quote from: Razgovory on July 13, 2011, 11:15:01 AM
Just answer the question.

yes, no, maybe, depends, sometimes.
First Maxim - "There are only two amounts, too few and enough."
First Corollary - "You cannot have too many soldiers, only too few supplies."
Second Maxim - "Be willing to exchange a bad idea for a good one."
Second Corollary - "You can only be wrong or agree with me."

A terrorist which starts a slaughter quoting Locke, Burke and Mill has completely missed the point.
The fact remains that the only person or group to applaud the Norway massacre are random Islamists.
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