Tabloid phone hacking scandal involving kidnapped girl roils Britain

Started by jimmy olsen, July 05, 2011, 07:08:43 PM

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Gups

Joan, just so we're clear what privacy rule are you taking about?

The phone hacking predates the Human Rights Act and the judicial interpretation of article 8 of the European Convention.


derspiess

I haven't followed this thing too closely and I haven't read all of this thread, but this thing seems to have been blown a bit out of proportion.  Am I missing something?
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HVC

Quote from: derspiess on July 21, 2011, 11:08:24 AM
I haven't followed this thing too closely and I haven't read all of this thread, but this thing seems to have been blown a bit out of proportion.  Am I missing something?
The actual hacking thing seemed over blown to me (funnily enough overblown by competing tabloids lol) but all the top cops and politics attached to the murdoch empire seems to be the big thing now.
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Gups

Nobody was that bothered about the hacking until the Millie Dowler revelation. I think that disgusted a lot of people.

derspiess

Quote from: HVC on July 21, 2011, 11:12:44 AM
Quote from: derspiess on July 21, 2011, 11:08:24 AM
I haven't followed this thing too closely and I haven't read all of this thread, but this thing seems to have been blown a bit out of proportion.  Am I missing something?
The actual hacking thing seemed over blown to me (funnily enough overblown by competing tabloids lol) but all the top cops and politics attached to the murdoch empire seems to be the big thing now.

Is Murdoch reviled that much in the UK?
"If you can play a guitar and harmonica at the same time, like Bob Dylan or Neil Young, you're a genius. But make that extra bit of effort and strap some cymbals to your knees, suddenly people want to get the hell away from you."  --Rich Hall

The Minsky Moment

Quote from: Gups on July 21, 2011, 10:17:19 AM
Joan, just so we're clear what privacy rule are you taking about?

The phone hacking predates the Human Rights Act and the judicial interpretation of article 8 of the European Convention.

I haven't seen any references to hacking occuring prior to the Dowling case.

In any event, the common law tort of breach of confidence is of long vintage.  In the Mosely case, the Queens Bench acknowledged that the breach of confidence tort formed the basis of Mosely's claim and noted that the equitable reach of the tort had been judicially expanded prior to the HRA. 

The libel laws  canalso  be used (abused) to a similar purpose, in those cases where it can be contended that the matters revealed have not been reported in strict accuracy.
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Neil

Quote from: derspiess on July 21, 2011, 11:26:32 AM
Quote from: HVC on July 21, 2011, 11:12:44 AM
Quote from: derspiess on July 21, 2011, 11:08:24 AM
I haven't followed this thing too closely and I haven't read all of this thread, but this thing seems to have been blown a bit out of proportion.  Am I missing something?
The actual hacking thing seemed over blown to me (funnily enough overblown by competing tabloids lol) but all the top cops and politics attached to the murdoch empire seems to be the big thing now.
Is Murdoch reviled that much in the UK?
Imagine if Fox News was caught hacking into a dead white girl's phone.  Enough people would be repulsed that they would be less inclined to come to their defence when the political left showed up to legislate them out of existance and punish anyone who had anything to do with stories that they didn't like.
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CountDeMoney

Quote from: Neil on July 21, 2011, 12:08:40 PM
Imagine if Fox News was caught hacking into a dead white girl's phone.  Enough people would be repulsed that they would be less inclined to come to their defence when the political left showed up to legislate them out of existance and punish anyone who had anything to do with stories that they didn't like.

Are you kidding?  Think of the ratings!

derspiess

Quote from: Neil on July 21, 2011, 12:08:40 PM
Quote from: derspiess on July 21, 2011, 11:26:32 AM
Is Murdoch reviled that much in the UK?
Imagine if Fox News was caught hacking into a dead white girl's phone.  Enough people would be repulsed that they would be less inclined to come to their defence when the political left showed up to legislate them out of existance and punish anyone who had anything to do with stories that they didn't like.

So they hate him, then? 
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Richard Hakluyt

Murdoch is hated by the British left. A large part of the public is fairly disgusted with tabloid journalism in general. When one of his papers was revealed to have systematically broken the law and also hacked in to a murdered girl's voicemail, then there is nobody who will choose to defend him from his detractors.

Malthus

Quote from: Richard Hakluyt on July 21, 2011, 01:16:02 PM
Murdoch is hated by the British left. A large part of the public is fairly disgusted with tabloid journalism in general. When one of his papers was revealed to have systematically broken the law and also hacked in to a murdered girl's voicemail, then there is nobody who will choose to defend him from his detractors.


First they came for the corrupt politicos involved in sex scandals,
And I didn't speak out because I wasn't  a corrupt politico involved in sex scandals.

Then they came for asshole Internet trolls and phone hackers,
And I didn't speak out because I wasn't an asshole Internet troll or phone hacker.

Then they came for the scumbag media moguls,
And I didn't speak out because I wasn't a scumbag media mogul.

Then they came for me
and there was no one left to speak out for me.

:(
The object of life is not to be on the side of the majority, but to escape finding oneself in the ranks of the insane—Marcus Aurelius

Neil

Quote from: derspiess on July 21, 2011, 12:55:24 PM
Quote from: Neil on July 21, 2011, 12:08:40 PM
Quote from: derspiess on July 21, 2011, 11:26:32 AM
Is Murdoch reviled that much in the UK?
Imagine if Fox News was caught hacking into a dead white girl's phone.  Enough people would be repulsed that they would be less inclined to come to their defence when the political left showed up to legislate them out of existance and punish anyone who had anything to do with stories that they didn't like.
So they hate him, then?
Absolutely.  They'll stop at nothing to bring him down.  After all, the British left just lost an election, and I'm sure they'd like to see that overturned if possible.
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mongers

Rubbish there's plenty of people on the right, like me (one-nation tory*), who detest the murdoch empire.



edit:
* my bad, that makes me left wing doesn't it ? :unsure:

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Quote from: derspiess on July 21, 2011, 11:08:24 AM
I haven't followed this thing too closely and I haven't read all of this thread, but this thing seems to have been blown a bit out of proportion.  Am I missing something?
Bribery of Police Officers?
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Quote from: jimmy olsen on July 21, 2011, 06:12:31 PM
Quote from: derspiess on July 21, 2011, 11:08:24 AM
I haven't followed this thing too closely and I haven't read all of this thread, but this thing seems to have been blown a bit out of proportion.  Am I missing something?
Bribery of Police Officers?

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