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Started by MadImmortalMan, July 05, 2011, 12:53:18 PM

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MadImmortalMan

July 05, 2011, 12:53:18 PM



What happened?

I really don't think the oldsters are pushing them out of the market like the graph suggests.
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HVC

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July 05, 2011, 01:06:25 PM
school has become more important? i know here (ontario) the got rid of grade 13 and when they did summer school participation spiked (not sure if it's still hugh, or went back down)
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derspiess

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July 05, 2011, 01:11:27 PM
They've gotten so spoiled their parents don't make them work to get pocket money?
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Faeelin

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July 05, 2011, 01:11:53 PM Last Edit: July 05, 2011, 01:14:16 PM by Faeelin
Quote from: derspiess on July 05, 2011, 01:11:27 PM
They've gotten so spoiled their parents don't make them work to get pocket money?

And they listen to jazz music and don't respect their elders!

Who is taking the jobs that kids would have once taken? Anecdotally, it seems to be immigrants or minority adults.

Edit: What was the actual article called? I can't find it with a quick google.

Stonewall

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July 05, 2011, 01:12:32 PM
Economics are part of the equation with less jobs meaning less opportunity for entry level workers.

Also, kids are spoiled brats who expect everything handed to them on a silver platter.  Parents no longer kick little Jimmy to the curb when Jimmy turns 25 and still doesn't have a job. 

Conversely, in poor households, little Jimmy is a three time convicted felon and just got out of jail following his latest driving on a suspended license charge.  His lack of a drivers license and possession of a criminal record prevents him from getting the job peddling a Big Mac so that he then goes out and peddles a little smack instead.  Morever, convict Jimmy don't want to work anyway since work is beneath him and would rather steal copper from your air conditioner than take a job at Popeyes.

IMO.

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garbon

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July 05, 2011, 01:13:56 PM
Quote from: Stonewall on July 05, 2011, 01:12:32 PM
Parents no longer kick little Jimmy to the curb when Jimmy turns 25 and still doesn't have a job. 

What relevance does that have to kids not having jobs while in high school? :huh:
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July 05, 2011, 01:17:55 PM
Quote from: Faeelin on July 05, 2011, 01:11:53 PM
Quote from: derspiess on July 05, 2011, 01:11:27 PM
They've gotten so spoiled their parents don't make them work to get pocket money?

And they listen to jazz music and don't respect their elders!

Don't dismiss that hypothesis so quickly. Certain demographic trends such as people waiting longer to have children and having fewer of them would tend to support it.
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MadImmortalMan

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July 05, 2011, 01:18:44 PM
Quote from: HVC on July 05, 2011, 01:06:25 PM
school has become more important? i know here (ontario) the got rid of grade 13 and when they did summer school participation spiked (not sure if it's still hugh, or went back down)

That's not it. School and part-time jobs have always gone hand-in-hand.
"Stability is destabilizing." --Hyman Minsky

"Complacency can be a self-denying prophecy."
"We have nothing to fear but lack of fear itself." --Larry Summers

Fate

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July 05, 2011, 01:25:09 PM
Quote from: MadImmortalMan on July 05, 2011, 01:18:44 PM
Quote from: HVC on July 05, 2011, 01:06:25 PM
school has become more important? i know here (ontario) the got rid of grade 13 and when they did summer school participation spiked (not sure if it's still hugh, or went back down)

That's not it. School and part-time jobs have always gone hand-in-hand.

Eh not really. Parents who have the option don't want their kids working so that they can do better in school.

DGuller

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July 05, 2011, 01:25:37 PM
Is this trend a bad thing?  Children should be children, there will be plenty of time for work later on in life.

Grey Fox

#10
July 05, 2011, 01:27:33 PM
Computers. No one needs an army of teens in the summer to do filing.
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MadImmortalMan

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July 05, 2011, 01:30:23 PM
Quote from: Fate on July 05, 2011, 01:25:09 PM
Quote from: MadImmortalMan on July 05, 2011, 01:18:44 PM
Quote from: HVC on July 05, 2011, 01:06:25 PM
school has become more important? i know here (ontario) the got rid of grade 13 and when they did summer school participation spiked (not sure if it's still hugh, or went back down)

That's not it. School and part-time jobs have always gone hand-in-hand.

Eh not really. Parents who have the option don't want their kids working so that they can do better in school.

Maybe that's the real answer to the question then. A shift in cultural thinking about it.

Parents used to view having a job as part of the kids' education, not a hindrance to it.
"Stability is destabilizing." --Hyman Minsky

"Complacency can be a self-denying prophecy."
"We have nothing to fear but lack of fear itself." --Larry Summers

Josephus

#12
July 05, 2011, 01:41:01 PM
Kids download everything they need so they don't need money.
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Habbaku

#13
July 05, 2011, 01:42:28 PM
Where can I download a car?
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Fate

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July 05, 2011, 01:44:22 PM
Quote from: Habbaku on July 05, 2011, 01:42:28 PM
Where can I download a car?

From mommy and daddy.
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