Most over-rated modern-day dogma

[Martinus]

This is a thread to post nominations for a vote for the most overrated modern day's dogma - an "evident truth" or an ideological position that hardly anyone ever challenges anymore.

My nomination: the self-determination of nations. Case in point: Africa and Quebec.

[Faeelin]

Surely Poland is a better example of people's who aren't up to self-determination? What with the whole masturbatory fantasy of being a great power while bashing Jews.

[Martinus]

Surely Poland is a better example of people's who aren't up to self-determination? What with the whole masturbatory fantasy of being a great power while bashing Jews.

I tend to agree. While freeing us up from the Russian dominance was a good thing, I think we would have been better off if we stayed with Prussians after WWI.

[Slargos]

Jews. Racism. Multiculturalism. Secularism. Sorcery. Communism. Feminism. Take your fucking pick.

The names and causes may change, but mass-psychosis stays the same.

[Eddie Teach]

The PRC = "hardly anyone"? 

[Capetan Mihali]

"Freud/Marx is discredited."

[alfred russel]

This is a thread to post nominations for a vote for the most overrated modern day's dogma - an "evident truth" or an ideological position that hardly anyone ever challenges anymore.

My nomination: the self-determination of nations. Case in point: Africa and Quebec.

I don't want to be a contrarian prick, but this is languish so I feel the need to be to an extent.  Is Quebec a good example as a majority has expressed a desire to stay in Canada?

[garbon]

"Freud/Marx is discredited."

Although I wish this one is true. The amount of poison that spread in our societies riding in on the coattails of the good ideas is catastrophic.

[Razgovory]

This is a thread to post nominations for a vote for the most overrated modern day's dogma - an "evident truth" or an ideological position that hardly anyone ever challenges anymore.

My nomination: the self-determination of nations. Case in point: Africa and Quebec.

I hate to break it to you, but Africa isn't a nation.

[Capetan Mihali]

"Freud/Marx is discredited."

Although I wish this one is true. The amount of poison that spread in our societies riding in on the coattails of the good ideas is catastrophic.

Very true, but I think one could say the same about Locke, Hegel, Bentham, or any number of influential thinkers.

[Razgovory]

"Freud/Marx is discredited."

Although I wish this one is true. The amount of poison that spread in our societies riding in on the coattails of the good ideas is catastrophic.

Very true, but I think one could say the same about Locke, Hegel, Bentham, or any number of influential thinkers.

Freud was working in the field of medicine, something that deserves scientific scrutiny.  The same can't be said of Locke or Kant.  Under the eye of science many of his theories are nonsense and can be disproven.  Some other stuff can't be test at all and thus isn't science.  His interpretation of dreams has more in common with magic then it does medicine and his "psycho-history" is just mental masturbation.  His treatments weren't nearly as successful as he claimed they were (in fact they don't seem to have cured anyone).  There is some evidence that he falsified his records.

Marx worked in economics something I'm a bit more wary at, but there is some math in that and some things can be proven false.  Most of his predictions didn't come to pass (obviously).  Someone who knows more about economics could answer that one better.

[Admiral Yi]

"Freud/Marx is discredited."

Marx is totally and utterly discredited.  You can either provide incentives to people to perform work or you can coerce it.  It definitely doesn't spring from class solidarity and revolutionary fervor.

[Faeelin]

"Freud/Marx is discredited."

Marx is totally and utterly discredited.  You can either provide incentives to people to perform work or you can coerce it.  It definitely doesn't spring from class solidarity and revolutionary fervor.

You don't think ideology can persuade people to act in a manner other than their rational self-interest?

[Admiral Yi]

You don't think ideology can persuade people to act in a manner other than their rational self-interest?

You think a positive answer to that question follows naturally from my previous statement?

[alfred russel]

You don't think ideology can persuade people to act in a manner other than their rational self-interest?

You think a positive answer to that question follows naturally from my previous statement?

Do you think that he thinks that a positive answer to his question follows from your original statement?