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Lasers? Railguns? Sorry, too broke.

Started by Brazen, June 22, 2011, 09:47:13 AM

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Brazen

Scrapping sci-fi weapons programmes makes me sad :(

QuotePower Down: Senate Zaps Navy's Superlaser, Rail Gun

The Senate just drove a stake into the Navy's high-tech heart. The directed energy and electromagnetic weapons intended to protect the surface ships of the future? Terminated.

The Free Electron Laser and the Electromagnetic Rail Gun are experimental weapons that the Navy hope will one day burn missiles careening toward their ships out of the sky and fire bullets at hypersonic speeds at targets thousands of miles away. Neither will be ready until at least the 2020s, the Navy estimates. But the Senate Armed Services Committee has a better delivery date in mind: never.

The committee approved its version of the fiscal 2012 defense authorization bill on Friday, priced to move at $664.5 billion, some $6.4 billion less than what the Obama administration wanted. The bill "terminates" the Free Electron Laser and the rail gun, a summary released by the committee gleefully reports.

"The determination was that the Free Electron Laser has the highest technical risk in terms of being ultimately able to field on a ship, so we thought the Navy could better concentrate on other laser programs," explains Rick DeBobes, the chief of staff for the committee. "With the Electromagnetic Rail Gun, the committee felt the technical challenges to developing and fielding the weapon would be daunting, particularly [related to] the power required and the barrel of the gun having limited life."

Both weapons are apples in the eye of the Office of Naval Research, the mad scientists of the Navy. "We're fast approaching the limits of our ability to hit maneuvering pieces of metal in the sky with other maneuvering pieces of metal," its leader, Rear Adm. Nevin Carr, told me in February. The answer, he thinks, is hypersonics and directed energy weapons, hastening "the end of the dominance of the missile," Adm. Gary Roughead, the top officer in the Navy, told me last month. With China developing carrier-killer missiles and smaller missiles proliferating widely, both weapons would allow the Navy to blunt the missile threat and attack adversaries from vast distances.

And both have recently experienced technical milestones that made researchers squeal with glee.

In December, the Navy corralled reporters to Dahlgren, Virginia, to watch a rail gun the size of a schoolbus fire a 23-pound bullet using no moving parts — just 33 megajoules of energy, a world record. (A prototype of a ship-ready rail gun is pictured above.)

And this winter, the Free Electron Laser, the most powerful and sophisticated laser there is, boasted two big advances within a month. In January, its 14-kilowatt prototype passed tests that injected enough energy into it to get it up to a megawatt's worth of death ray — a "remarkable breakthrough," nine months ahead of schedule, the Office of Naval Research crowed. The next month, its testers at the Jefferson Lab in Newport News added even more power. Researchers think it could be far more than a weapon: it might act as a super-sensor, and Yale scientists use it to hunt for cosmic energy.

Shipboard power is the question mark surrounding both weapons. The laser and the rail gun require diverting power from a ship's generators in order to fire. The Navy's waved that away, saying that its onboard generators — especially the superpowerful ones in development — can handle the megawattage necessary, and the Free Electron Laser's guts are shaped like a racetrack to "recycle" some of the energy injected into it. But both plans rely on the power efficiency of ships that aren't built yet.

Neither comes cheap, either. The Navy's spent some $211 million since 2005 developing the rail gun. Its milestones with the Free Electron Laser — in development in some form since the '90s — led it to ask Congress for $60 million in annual directed-energy research funds, most of which go to the superlaser. Needless to say, a Senate panel facing a huge budget crunch was unsympathetic.

The Office of Naval Research didn't respond by press time. The process of passing a defense budget making it through no fewer than four committees and two floor votes, so it's not like these programs cease to exist. But unless the Navy makes a big push for its futuristic weapons, both of them will die on the drawing board.

http://www.wired.com/dangerroom/2011/06/power-down-senate-zaps-navys-superlaser-railgun/

Ed Anger

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11B4V

Eh, their two faced. Thats what they what everybody to think.
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Ed Anger

You know, I shouldn't be happy when a project like this is cancelled but goddammit, I love it when Timmay's enthusiasm for pie in the sky sci-fi weaponry gets stomped into the ground by real life budgetary concerns.

So once again, fuck you Tim.
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11B4V

#4
lol, dont worry the experiments will go on. They will do the old shell game. Like a bunch of street hustlers.
"there's a long tradition of insulting people we disagree with here, and I'll be damned if I listen to your entreaties otherwise."-OVB

"Obviously not a Berkut-commanded armored column.  They're not all brewing."- CdM

"We've reached one of our phase lines after the firefight and it smells bad—meaning it's a little bit suspicious... Could be an amb—".

Ed Anger

I know. There will be a line in the military budget with no label. I just like seeing Timmay get a knee to the nuts.
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viper37

And when the Chinese have their first destroyer with such a system, after recruiting laid-off american scientists, some people might not laugh.
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Grey Fox

Quote from: Ed Anger on June 22, 2011, 10:02:03 AM
I know. There will be a line in the military budget with no label. I just like seeing Timmay get a knee to the nuts.

You shouldn't laugh, you should embrase Timmy, You should mentor him. His generation will teach your children one day. Then you'll not know peace all you'll have will be stomach ulcers.
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Ed Anger

Quote from: Grey Fox on June 22, 2011, 10:14:56 AM
Quote from: Ed Anger on June 22, 2011, 10:02:03 AM
I know. There will be a line in the military budget with no label. I just like seeing Timmay get a knee to the nuts.

You shouldn't laugh, you should embrase Timmy, You should mentor him. His generation will teach your children one day. Then you'll not know peace all you'll have will be stomach ulcers.

You know what? No. I don't mentor nerds.
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Grey Fox

Quote from: Ed Anger on June 22, 2011, 10:22:27 AM
Quote from: Grey Fox on June 22, 2011, 10:14:56 AM
Quote from: Ed Anger on June 22, 2011, 10:02:03 AM
I know. There will be a line in the military budget with no label. I just like seeing Timmay get a knee to the nuts.

You shouldn't laugh, you should embrase Timmy, You should mentor him. His generation will teach your children one day. Then you'll not know peace all you'll have will be stomach ulcers.

You know what? No. I don't mentor nerds.

That's your mistake. Nerds don't try to fuck your wife. Jocks will.
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Razgovory

You apparently don't know many nerds.
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Valmy

Quote from: viper37 on June 22, 2011, 10:11:15 AM
And when the Chinese have their first destroyer with such a system, after recruiting laid-off american scientists, some people might not laugh.

If that happens we will steal their design for cheap.
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Razgovory

Scientists who go rogue have short lives.  See: Gerald Bull
I've given it serious thought. I must scorn the ways of my family, and seek a Japanese woman to yield me my progeny. He shall live in the lands of the east, and be well tutored in his sacred trust to weave the best traditions of Japan and the Sacred South together, until such time as he (or, indeed his house, which will periodically require infusion of both Southern and Japanese bloodlines of note) can deliver to the South it's independence, either in this world or in space.  -Lettow April of 2011

Raz is right. -MadImmortalMan March of 2017

Neil

What the fuck?  Did we really need a picture of a shell game at 1944x2592 pixels?

The key to reinforcing your posts with an image is to use appropriately-sized photos.
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Razgovory

I want to know why the super-efficient and competent private sector isn't picking up the slack. :mad:
I've given it serious thought. I must scorn the ways of my family, and seek a Japanese woman to yield me my progeny. He shall live in the lands of the east, and be well tutored in his sacred trust to weave the best traditions of Japan and the Sacred South together, until such time as he (or, indeed his house, which will periodically require infusion of both Southern and Japanese bloodlines of note) can deliver to the South it's independence, either in this world or in space.  -Lettow April of 2011

Raz is right. -MadImmortalMan March of 2017