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Started by jimmy olsen, June 04, 2011, 06:32:29 AM

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Barrister

#15
June 06, 2011, 01:08:24 PM
Quote from: mongers on June 06, 2011, 12:49:56 PM
Quote from: MadImmortalMan on June 06, 2011, 11:51:26 AM
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HMS Ocean

British standards in ship-naming have really slipped.

iirc There was a CV named HMS Ocean, probably quite an old name.

You people fail at internet. <_<

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HMS_Ocean

Goes back to capturing a French vessel in 1759.
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Valmy

#16
June 06, 2011, 01:09:59 PM
Quote from: Habbaku on June 06, 2011, 01:00:03 PM
Yes, far better to let the President wave his hand and have the legions go forth with no oversight.  :hmm:

I do sometimes wonder why bother having a Constitution when we are just going to ignore it.  Heck even the laws for allowing exceptions to the Constitution like the War Powers Act gets ignored.

Ah well.
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#17
June 06, 2011, 01:12:55 PM
I still think the best thing to do would simply be to pass an authorizing resolution and send it to the Prez. It's not like he's gonna veto it, and then all the constitutional bases are covered.
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Valmy

#18
June 06, 2011, 01:15:39 PM
Quote from: MadImmortalMan on June 06, 2011, 01:12:55 PM
I still think the best thing to do would simply be to pass an authorizing resolution and send it to the Prez. It's not like he's gonna veto it, and then all the constitutional bases are covered.

I know at least go through the motions.
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alfred russel

#19
June 06, 2011, 01:16:29 PM
Quote from: MadImmortalMan on June 06, 2011, 11:51:26 AM
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HMS Ocean

British standards in ship-naming have really slipped.

Invincible, Indomitable, and Victorious don't work as well when you've spent the past 100 years transforming the empire into a welfare state and a nation of bankers. HMS Social Justice and HMS Carry Trade just don't make the best ship names.
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Valmy

#20
June 06, 2011, 01:17:30 PM
Quote"This is a Russian warship. I propose you lay down arms and surrender to avoid bloodshed & unnecessary victims. Otherwise, you'll be bombed."

Zmiinyi defenders: "Russian warship, go fuck yourself."

Caliga

#21
June 06, 2011, 01:49:54 PM
I'm pulling for HMS Crazy Diana and HMS Harry the Bastard. :)
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#22
June 06, 2011, 01:54:04 PM
HMS Chav, HMS Geordie
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The Minsky Moment

#23
June 06, 2011, 02:02:18 PM
what exactly are US forces doing in Libya anyway?  Is it possible for the WH to argue that US Armed Forces are not presently engaged in hostilities?

Anyway, I don't get what Obama is doing here.  Should be pretty easy to get the authorization needed so why play games unless the intent is to repudiate by implication the War Powers Resolution.
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Barrister

#24
June 06, 2011, 02:18:29 PM
Quote from: The Minsky Moment on June 06, 2011, 02:02:18 PM
what exactly are US forces doing in Libya anyway?  Is it possible for the WH to argue that US Armed Forces are not presently engaged in hostilities?

Anyway, I don't get what Obama is doing here.  Should be pretty easy to get the authorization needed so why play games unless the intent is to repudiate by implication the War Powers Resolution.

Hasn't the White House, no matter which party is in power, repudiated the WPR?
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#25
June 06, 2011, 03:04:33 PM
Quote from: Barrister on June 06, 2011, 02:18:29 PM
Hasn't the White House, no matter which party is in power, repudiated the WPR?

Why do you think Bush went to the Senate for a vote on Iraq II?

Habbaku

#26
June 06, 2011, 05:35:06 PM
Quote from: The Minsky Moment on June 06, 2011, 02:02:18 PM
what exactly are US forces doing in Libya anyway?  Is it possible for the WH to argue that US Armed Forces are not presently engaged in hostilities?

"Non-kinetic military action".  Come on, it's just what it sounds like.  :P
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#27
June 06, 2011, 06:12:33 PM
Quote from: Barrister on June 06, 2011, 02:18:29 PM
Hasn't the White House, no matter which party is in power, repudiated the WPR?
No.  Each administration has stated that the WPA isn't binding on the President, and each has scrupulously adhered to it's reporting requirements.
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#28
June 06, 2011, 09:30:52 PM
Quote from: Valmy on June 06, 2011, 01:17:30 PM
Quote from: alfred russel on June 06, 2011, 01:16:29 PM
HMS Social Justice

:lol:

HMS Whinger Ginger Minger, and of course my all-time fave-rave, HMS RIGHT WOTS ALL THIS THEN

jimmy olsen

#29
June 06, 2011, 09:36:33 PM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on June 06, 2011, 09:30:52 PM
Quote from: Valmy on June 06, 2011, 01:17:30 PM
Quote from: alfred russel on June 06, 2011, 01:16:29 PM
HMS Social Justice

:lol:

HMS Whinger Ginger Minger, and of course my all-time fave-rave, HMS RIGHT WOTS ALL THIS THEN
:lol:
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