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Started by Valmy, May 06, 2011, 08:38:53 AM

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Quote from: Martinus on May 09, 2011, 11:10:57 AM
Quote from: Tyr on May 09, 2011, 10:49:59 AM
Quote from: Martinus on May 09, 2011, 10:09:15 AM
I heard Scots like the EU. If so, they should secede from the UK and be a good EU member, not like those British saboteurs. :P
They'd never be allowed in.
Its a key reason Scottish independance would be suicide.

Disagree. We are considering letting Iceland in - no idea why we wouldn't let Scotts in.
It would be encouraging the Basque, Catalan, Corsican, Bavarian, Alsatian, Skanish, Padanian, Silesian, etc.... nutters. Spain and France in particular would not like this.
It would really piss off Turkey at yet another nation jumping the line and getting a free and easy pass.
Not to mention even if they were allowed in its taking Iceland long enough. IIRC the EU constitution needs changing quite a lot for new members to come in, some crap about it being designed only for the amount we have now. In the meantime Scotland's economy would unravel quite a bit.
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Quote from: Valmy on May 09, 2011, 10:11:13 AMThat is odd because the Tories and Lib Dems would have lots to say on those local issues that is distinct from what Labour and the SNP would say.  Surely not every Scot is a leftist.
The SNP aren't necessarily left-wing.  They used to be known as tartan Tories after all and their base is rural Scotland.  In terms of policy they're probably slightly closer to the Tories than Labour on, say, crime and they want to cut corporate tax, not least so they'd have the power to cut corporate tax.  The Tories and Greens tended to back the SNP quite a lot during their minority government.  But in terms of Scottish politics they're anti-Labour which is far more important to many voters.

What I mean is that the Lib Dems, Labour and Tories are broadly all still defined by UK politics and their Westminster parties which is simply absurd when the vast majority of politics that actually affect the electorate are decided in the Scottish Parliament.  So Labour open their manifesto with the line 'now the Tories are back', except in Scotland that's simply a darkly ironic joke: they ain't.  Similarly the Tories ran a campaign defending the Westminster government and the Lib Dems ran one attacking it.  All the while they all attacked the SNP for its constiutional dangers while all Scots know that they won't declare independence without a referendum so this isn't the last chance to save the union and the SNP are actually running around talking far more about Scottish policies.

I think the Lib Dems, Labour and Tories all need to divorce from their Scottish wings.  Form a CDU-CSU style alliance in Westminster but let them spend a lot more time thinking about Scottish politics rather than insulting the electoriate by just being pawns in the national game.
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