Justice, Scandinavian style

[Slargos]

I don't see the big deal. Isn't kidnapping a lesser crime than killing? Even conspiring to kill would fall short of actually killing

Except for the bit where she actually did get killed, yeah.

In the U.S., generally, if someone is killed during the course of a felony, it's considered murder, even if the death was an "accident".

What he's objecting to is the guy who actually killed her getting a higher sentance than the guy who had nought to do with the killing.

Except for hiring him to kill her.

[Norgy]

Dude's Norwegian and apparently lived on protein shakes and steroids.

It's strange that Khan (yes, that's the other guy) got off the murder charge, given that it is rather firmly established that he ordered No Brains to kill her.
Still, I expect the prosecution won't let this lie.

[Slargos]

Dude's Norwegian and apparently lived on protein shakes and steroids.

It's strange that Khan (yes, that's the other guy) got off the murder charge, given that it is rather firmly established that he ordered No Brains to kill her.
Still, I expect the prosecution won't let this lie.

I fervently hope not.

I don't think I can take any more of this. Eventually I'll crack and start going after judges. I expect they'll catch me after the first one. 

[Viking]

Sweden has rednecks.  Fascinating.

Norway, Sweden has RedNex

[Norgy]

 

[Valmy]

I don't see the big deal. Isn't kidnapping a lesser crime than killing? Even conspiring to kill would fall short of actually killing

Except he did kill her...through violent coercive force.  He just did not mean to kill her...maybe.  But if you commit an act of violence against somebody resulting in their death how is that not killing them?

[Ideologue]

Sweden has rednecks.  Fascinating.

Norway, Sweden has RedNex

I got confused.  Forgot Slargy had immigrated.

Except he did kill her...through violent coercive force.  He just did not mean to kill her...maybe.  But if you commit an act of violence against somebody resulting in their death how is that not killing them?

Well, that's why the backyard wrestler there got a manslaughter conviction.  I suppose Norway simply doesn't have a law that makes the principal criminally liable.

[Norgy]

Except he did kill her...through violent coercive force.  He just did not mean to kill her...maybe.  But if you commit an act of violence against somebody resulting in their death how is that not killing them?

Not that I entirely trust the reports from the courts, but both these guys were more than a little insane. The Khan character had been stalking her for ages and tried to hire several people to spy on her, abduct her and even kill her. The irony is that the police didn't really follow those leads, as they seemed preoccupied with their own angle; honour killing by a family member.

It is not uncommon, but in the case of a Norwegian girl being abducted, I am sure a stalker would be on the suspect list.

Khan seems to have been doing everything possible to make her life a miserable hell, and for that alone deserves more than 8 years, unless those years are spent with Slargosians in the shower.

[Slargos]

I got confused.  Forgot Slargy had immigrated.

And still I don't get a pass on racism, despite being an immigrant myself. Turns out you need to be brown-skinned in order to be allowed racism.

[KRonn]

I don't see the big deal. Isn't kidnapping a lesser crime than killing? Even conspiring to kill would fall short of actually killing

Except he did kill her...through violent coercive force.  He just did not mean to kill her...maybe.  But if you commit an act of violence against somebody resulting in their death how is that not killing them?

According to the OP the guy received a manslaughter conviction. I'd think it could instead be more like what the US would call second degree murder, the step above manslaughter, but depending on how the trial went, it could be a manslaughter conviction instead.

[Slargos]

Except he did kill her...through violent coercive force.  He just did not mean to kill her...maybe.  But if you commit an act of violence against somebody resulting in their death how is that not killing them?

Not that I entirely trust the reports from the courts, but both these guys were more than a little insane. The Khan character had been stalking her for ages and tried to hire several people to spy on her, abduct her and even kill her. The irony is that the police didn't really follow those leads, as they seemed preoccupied with their own angle; honour killing by a family member.

It is not uncommon, but in the case of a Norwegian girl being abducted, I am sure a stalker would be on the suspect list.

Khan seems to have been doing everything possible to make her life a miserable hell, and for that alone deserves more than 8 years, unless those years are spent with Slargosians in the shower.

Ironic? No. More like "typical".

It is the Norwegian way.

Q: How do you kill a Norwegian turgåer in the mountains?
A: Mark his map with a bridge spanning a cliff and wait for him to attempt to cross it.

[Slargos]

I don't see the big deal. Isn't kidnapping a lesser crime than killing? Even conspiring to kill would fall short of actually killing

Except he did kill her...through violent coercive force.  He just did not mean to kill her...maybe.  But if you commit an act of violence against somebody resulting in their death how is that not killing them?

According to the OP the guy received a manslaughter conviction. I'd think it could instead be more like what the US would call second degree murder, the step above manslaughter, but depending on how the trial went, it could be a manslaughter conviction instead.

The designations have always confused and bewildered me.

He was sentenced for murdering her, rather than "causing death" but it was not deemed deliberate or planned.

[Ideologue]

I got confused.  Forgot Slargy had immigrated.

And still I don't get a pass on racism, despite being an immigrant myself. Turns out you need to be brown-skinned in order to be allowed racism.

You immigrated to a virtually identical country.   It's like if I went to go live in Texas.  Except I'd have to travel farther.

[Slargos]

I got confused.  Forgot Slargy had immigrated.

And still I don't get a pass on racism, despite being an immigrant myself. Turns out you need to be brown-skinned in order to be allowed racism.

You immigrated to a virtually identical country.   It's like if I went to go live in Texas.  Except I'd have to travel farther.

If you only knew...

The Norwegians may be white, but underneath they're no better than Somalis or Gypsies.

I guess in that sense I am left looking rather foolish when claiming race is the problem rather than a deeply corrupt culture.

[Viking]

I don't see the big deal. Isn't kidnapping a lesser crime than killing? Even conspiring to kill would fall short of actually killing

Except he did kill her...through violent coercive force.  He just did not mean to kill her...maybe.  But if you commit an act of violence against somebody resulting in their death how is that not killing them?

Norwegian Law /= American Law, remember? Pre-meditation in comitting the kidnapping does not result in premeditation in the death that comes as a result of the kidnapping. Khan's defense was basically that he payed the guy to kidnap her, not kill her. Nyfløt's defense was (and this is comic gold) that he didn't want to kidnap her, he wanted to use the kidnapping to set up khan and murder him instead because he was inspired by the TV show Dexter to be serial killer that killed criminals.

If I understand US law right, if somebody dies as a result of a criminal act, those who participated in that criminal act are guilty of murder (or so it has been explained to me by fictional american TV shows). Norwegian law, obviously, is different.

I'm still trying to find out who the lay-judges were in this case and what political party they belonged to.

Edit: Lay Judges are not mentioned in the media (much like jury's), but for this level court guilt or innocence is decided by a panel of three, one judge and two lay judges. The lay judges are selected by the local county council. At the next level up (which this case will be appealed to) you have three judges deciding legal issues and a panel of 10 lay judges (basically a jury) which decides guilt. My problem with the lay judges (basically the jury pool) is that it is not random, but rather selected by the county council.