Victory for feminism - The wage gap is closed

[Slargos]

How much weight do you think this argument has in this day and age?  It seems more suited to the 1950s.

Are there lots of women in the US in construction work? Are there lots of men in daycare, or primary schools? From what I gather, a preschool teacher with a BA earns less than a non-specialist, construction laborer with a high school diploma.

I think it still has quite some weight.

Do you think this is because the patriarchate is keeping women down, or is it perhaps because while any woman who can pick up a book can become a teacher, while the number of men than can do construction work is far less than 100%? Or is it perhaps because unions have worked hard at securing rights for their members? Or is it perhaps that it's far easier to measure skill and results in a construction worker than a school teacher?

So many variables.

Let's just claim there's a glass ceiling and demand some handouts.

[crazy canuck]

How much weight do you think this argument has in this day and age?  It seems more suited to the 1950s.

Are there lots of women in the US in construction work? Are there lots of men in daycare, or primary schools? From what I gather, a preschool teacher with a BA earns less than a non-specialist, construction laborer with a high school diploma.

I think it still has quite some weight.

Lets take that example.  A construction worker does not work full time but project to project.  As a result a construction worker may well spend significant periods of time out of work.  A construction worker may earn a higher hourly wage (not sure about that but I will assume it for the sake of the argument) but in the long run the primary school teacher may well make more because the teacher has steady ininterrupted employment.

That is the problem with these kinds of gender inequality examples.  People can manipulate the data to show what they wish. 

[Valmy]

Not to mention the fact that the probability of a very serious injury that could end your career is a constant danger in construction and not so much teaching pre-school.

[MadImmortalMan]

Part of that is the education bubble. In the real world, there is no objective value of a degree. Just because a person has one, the work they do is not somehow more valuable.

[Slargos]

Not to mention the fact that the probability of a very serious injury that could end your career is a constant danger in construction and not so much teaching pre-school.

Misogynist.

Tinnitus is a very real problem.

And while I was being flippant, really, it is actually a serious problem. Pre-school and kindergarten is a breeding ground for hearing related problems. As is for instance tendon damage for hairdressers. It's obviously not all fun and play being a woman in the workforce.

[Valmy]

Misogynist.

Tinnitus is a very real problem.

And while I was being flippant, really, it is actually a serious problem. Pre-school and kindergarten is a breeding ground for hearing related problems. As is for instance tendon damage for hairdressers. It's obviously not all fun and play being a woman in the workforce.

Being a hairdresser is hardly a female dominated industry.

[Slargos]

Misogynist.

Tinnitus is a very real problem.

And while I was being flippant, really, it is actually a serious problem. Pre-school and kindergarten is a breeding ground for hearing related problems. As is for instance tendon damage for hairdressers. It's obviously not all fun and play being a woman in the workforce.

Being a hairdresser is hardly a female dominated industry.

Let us agree to disagree. 

I note with unbridled pleasure, however, that you chose the time honoured Languish tradition of jumping on the one detail that is possibly assailable, ignoring all others. 

[Eddie Teach]

Do you think this is because the patriarchate is keeping women down, or is it perhaps because while any woman who can pick up a book can become a teacher, while the number of men than can do construction work is far less than 100%? Or is it perhaps because unions have worked hard at securing rights for their members? Or is it perhaps that it's far easier to measure skill and results in a construction worker than a school teacher?

I suspect most men capable of doing either would choose to teach given the same pay as well.

[Slargos]

http://www.thedigeratilife.com/blog/index.php/2007/05/29/traditional-jobs-for-men-and-women-the-gender-divide/

And it seems I was right and Valmy was wrong - Again. 

[Slargos]

Do you think this is because the patriarchate is keeping women down, or is it perhaps because while any woman who can pick up a book can become a teacher, while the number of men than can do construction work is far less than 100%? Or is it perhaps because unions have worked hard at securing rights for their members? Or is it perhaps that it's far easier to measure skill and results in a construction worker than a school teacher?

I suspect most men capable of doing either would choose to teach given the same pay as well.

So the Market would need to pay construction workers more in order to secure the labour. Interesting. What a shocking development.. 

[Admiral Yi]

How much weight do you think this argument has in this day and age?  It seems more suited to the 1950s.

Are there lots of women in the US in construction work? Are there lots of men in daycare, or primary schools? From what I gather, a preschool teacher with a BA earns less than a non-specialist, construction laborer with a high school diploma.

I think it still has quite some weight.

Leaving aside the issue of physical capacity, how does one determine whether an overrepresentation in a particular line of work is a function of societal pressure or of innate differences in preferences?

[Valmy]

Let us agree to disagree. 

I note with unbridled pleasure, however, that you chose the time honoured Languish tradition of jumping on the one detail that is possibly assailable, ignoring all others. 

I have recently noticed how many of the big fashion designers, hair dressers, make up artists, and so forth are men.  It just never occured to me they dominated to the extent that they do.  Since it was a topic on my mind of late I commented on it.  Sorry if I offended.

But I guess going by those numbers this difference only exists at the top.

[Valmy]

And it seems I was right and Valmy was wrong - Again. 

Hardly an accomplishment.  I am usually wrong.

[Slargos]

Let us agree to disagree. 

I note with unbridled pleasure, however, that you chose the time honoured Languish tradition of jumping on the one detail that is possibly assailable, ignoring all others. 

I have recently noticed how many of the big fashion designers, hair dressers, make up artists, and so forth are men.  It just never occured to me they dominated to the extent that they do.  Since it was a topic on my mind of late I commented on it.  Sorry if I offended.

Don't feign innocence, you smarmy bastard. You'll need to bring out bigger guns than that to offend me. 

Women do most of the cooking, yet most great chefs are men. I wouldn't be surprised if the underlying mechanic is the same in both professions.

[Valmy]

Women do most of the cooking, yet most great chefs are men. I wouldn't be surprised if the underlying mechanic is the same in both professions.

Yep.  I hesitate to comment on why that might be.