Saving Someone From Scientology ?

[jamesww]

Anyone here have some experience of dealing with a close friend or family member who was or is involved in the cult ?

So whats the over and under on this being possible ?

I've had only limited experience with scientologists, but outcomes seem to be suicide, continuing within the 'church', just losing a large chunk of cash and eventually coming to a self realisation that it's time to leave. Family and friends staging a successful intervention seems quite rare. 

[Eddie Teach]

On Nip/Tuck the Scientologist couple gets booted when they make a porn video. Dunno if that helps any.

[grumbler]

I think people who get involved in Scientology are more prone to self-delusion than people involved in the more popular cults like the CoE or the Quakers, so I think you pretty much have to let them waste lifespan and money until they see religion for the scam it is.

[Viking]

http://www.escapeint.org/index.html

Escape was formed in 1992 for the purpose of helping, advising, counselling families and friends who have loved ones involved in Scientology.

There are many issues and countless questions, allegations, and actual evidence concerning the nature, behaviour and true agenda of this Organisation. Former members seeking to find answers about their experience may also find this site helpful. There is always a way forward, a place where families may stand firm in the knowledge that 'love never fails' and 'goodness will always prevail over evil'

[CountDeMoney]

Family and friends staging a successful intervention seems quite rare.

Go dig up a Time Magazine cover story on Scientology from the late '80s and early '90s;  they go after people (family, friends) who attempt to "rescue" members with a fucking vengeance.

[jamesww]

I think people who get involved in Scientology are more prone to self-delusion than people involved in the more popular cults like the CoE or the Quakers, so I think you pretty much have to let them waste lifespan and money until they see religion for the scam it is.

Yep, that's pretty much my thinking on the issue, very little one can do.

[jamesww]

Family and friends staging a successful intervention seems quite rare.

Go dig up a Time Magazine cover story on Scientology from the late '80s and early '90s;  they go after people (family, friends) who attempt to "rescue" members with a fucking vengeance.

Goons don't scare me, however this is may all be academic, as I think I've just recieved my 'disconnect letter' . :gasp:

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Besides I really can be bothered if someone of my age willfully wants to destroy themselves ovee this sort of mumbo jumbo.

[Zeus]

Just smack him/her a couple times. Does the trick when my friend tries to convince himself he's a vampire

[CountDeMoney]

the more popular cults like the CoE or the Quakers,

Such a dick sometimes.

[viper37]

Anyone here have some experience of dealing with a close friend or family member who was or is involved in the cult ?

Yes.

So whats the over and under on this being possible ?

they will resent every family member that sits between them and their sect, and the sect leaders will make sure this happens.
They will dig their own grave, and maybe get out of it poorer than they ever were.
Once this happens, you can forget the past and try to build anew.

I've had only limited experience with scientologists, but outcomes seem to be suicide, continuing within the 'church', just losing a large chunk of cash and eventually coming to a self realisation that it's time to leave. Family and friends staging a successful intervention seems quite rare. 

most sects are similar in the way they operate.  My father's cousin was in with some green religious fanatics living an antiquated lifestyle and growing their own food.  He had a nice house, a successful business, all for him, save for his handicap (missing sight in one eye since birth).  Oh, he lost the business, the house, the savings, everything to the sect.  His parents and brothers had tried to get him out of there, but that didn't turn out well.

He left when the sect leader "approached" his eldest daughter and he got scared for her.

[jamesww]

Anyone here have some experience of dealing with a close friend or family member who was or is involved in the cult ?

Yes.

So whats the over and under on this being possible ?

they will resent every family member that sits between them and their sect, and the sect leaders will make sure this happens.
They will dig their own grave, and maybe get out of it poorer than they ever were.
Once this happens, you can forget the past and try to build anew.

I've had only limited experience with scientologists, but outcomes seem to be suicide, continuing within the 'church', just losing a large chunk of cash and eventually coming to a self realisation that it's time to leave. Family and friends staging a successful intervention seems quite rare. 

most sects are similar in the way they operate.  My father's cousin was in with some green religious fanatics living an antiquated lifestyle and growing their own food.  He had a nice house, a successful business, all for him, save for his handicap (missing sight in one eye since birth).  Oh, he lost the business, the house, the savings, everything to the sect.  His parents and brothers had tried to get him out of there, but that didn't turn out well.

He left when the sect leader "approached" his eldest daughter and he got scared for her.

Dang, Viper thats sad stuff, and confirms my expectations of what will probably happen. 

[Josquius]

Introduce them to a superior sci-fi writer.

[Caliga]

Introduce them to a superior sci-fi writer.

IOW pretty much any sci-fi writer that there is.

[KRonn]

I think there are groups that can help families with cult members. At the least with information on how best to deal with it. Check the internet.

Viper, sorry to see what you went through. That's nasty stuff.   

[grumbler]

the more popular cults like the CoE or the Quakers,

Such a dick sometimes.