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[Jaron]

Yup, agree with grumbler.

[Martinus]

Yeah I get your point. But maybe they will add some layer of weirdness to him - like erratic behaviour, outbursts or flashbacks perhaps. I think it would be too easy if he just got back with no price - especially as GRRM has always been saying in his interviews that he does not believe in a "scott free" resurrection in his stories.

[Jaron]

Its not his story anymore. He sold it and his soul to HBO. And they want rippling muscles pretty face Jon Snow. Not something that will repulse fans.

What they really want is for people to hate Ramsay so much that Jon's return gives people hope he can be stopped. Ramsay can kill all the people he wants but he will fall to Jon's Longclaw.

[Josquius]

This is the most successful thread Tyr has ever made.

The off topic topic

[Eddie Teach]

This is the most successful thread Tyr has ever made.

The off topic topic

Korea started this one.

[Josquius]

This is the most successful thread Tyr has ever made.

The off topic topic

Korea started this one.

I started the first, ergo all continuations thereof :p

[Hamilcar]

I maintain that Jon Snow's resurrection was a misdirection. Melisandre didn't do anything. Bran is warging him.

How the fuck would Bran warg a dead body?

The Others do exactly that.

So you think Bran is an Other and Jon is going to come back as a largely mindless zombie?

I'm not sure that Bran is an Other (yet), but clearly the power to reanimate and control corpses is entirely possible.

[Berkut]

I maintain that Jon Snow's resurrection was a misdirection. Melisandre didn't do anything. Bran is warging him.

How the fuck would Bran warg a dead body?

The Others do exactly that.

So you think Bran is an Other and Jon is going to come back as a largely mindless zombie?

I'm not sure that Bran is an Other (yet), but clearly the power to reanimate and control corpses is entirely possible.

...in a way that would not be considered, by anyone, to be "Jon" at all, and has no real similarity to what wargs do with living animals that is clearly NOT re-animating a dead corpse.

[Hamilcar]

...in a way that would not be considered, by anyone, to be "Jon" at all, and has no real similarity to what wargs do with living animals that is clearly NOT re-animating a dead corpse.

I am 80% sure the Others warg corpses.

[grumbler]

...in a way that would not be considered, by anyone, to be "Jon" at all, and has no real similarity to what wargs do with living animals that is clearly NOT re-animating a dead corpse.

I am 80% sure the Others warg corpses.

  This is great.  You almost sound like this is what you really think, and the precision of the estimate is a nice touch.

You know, of course, that what the Others do is utterly unlike warging, since the person doing the warging is unconscious in their original body while they warg the animal body.  But I think the trolling is first-class.

[Hamilcar]

  This is great.  You almost sound like this is what you really think, and the precision of the estimate is a nice touch.

You know, of course, that what the Others do is utterly unlike warging, since the person doing the warging is unconscious in their original body while they warg the animal body.  But I think the trolling is first-class.

I've practiced my ASOIAF trolling at work.

[Hamilcar]

King of Tinfoil Preston Jacobs kinda agrees with me: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t6U1dCoY2vw

[HVC]

The Starks have no luck at all.

[grumbler]

Anyway, I wasn't at all happy to have the Umber dude show up at Winterfell with Rickon.  It seems too pat that all of the sons of the Stark bannerman turn out to be faithless gits eager to sign up with Rmsey Bolton.  I'm hoping that this is an Umber ruse of some sort, those I don't see how that's possible unless the wolf's head isn't Shaggydog.

[HVC]

Anyway, I wasn't at all happy to have the Umber dude show up at Winterfell with Rickon.  It seems too pat that all of the sons of the Stark bannerman turn out to be faithless gits eager to sign up with Rmsey Bolton.  I'm hoping that this is an Umber ruse of some sort, those I don't see how that's possible unless the wolf's head isn't Shaggydog.

I was thinking Rouse too, but then I remembered the flayed body in the Bolton battle scene which I guess now is osha.

The Umber excuse seems plausible enough. a stark bastard let the wildlings in the north so he's pissed at the starks and also know doesn't have the resources to rebel against the bastard and protect his lands.