Game of Thrones begins....

[Berkut]

And what makes as little sense as the evaporating dogs in the Sansa rescue scene is that all of Doran's guards could have been suborned without a single one of them ratting the scheme out to Hotah.  The Martells have, after all, been the reigning dynasty for a thousand years, and surely at least one guardsman would think such a lineage worth preserving, even if his own oaths to the dynasty were somehow made null and void.

If the writers were wise, they'd have an earthquake drop Dorne into the ocean at the start of the next episode.  It is pretty clear that thinking about Dorne makes any writer (including Martin) stupid.

I agree, the Dorne plotline doesn't seem too well thought out. But given the execution of the plot that was shown, I think one has to credit Ellaria as being at least "competent" in her scheming.

What i don't get from the show, and a lesser extent from the books, is what is the *point* of the Dorne storyline? It all seems extraneous to the overall primary plotlines.

[Berkut]

I maintain that Jon Snow's resurrection was a misdirection. Melisandre didn't do anything. Bran is warging him.

How the fuck would Bran warg a dead body?

[grumbler]

I maintain that Jon Snow's resurrection was a misdirection. Melisandre didn't do anything. Bran is warging him.

How the fuck would Bran warg a dead body?

Hamilcar has been trolling this thread from the time he started posting.  It's been pretty good trolling so far, nice and subtle, but still absurd.  I'm enjoying it.

[LaCroix]

What i don't get from the show, and a lesser extent from the books, is what is the *point* of the Dorne storyline? It all seems extraneous to the overall primary plotlines.

book and show: massive reinforcements right when needed

[Admiral Yi]

book and show: massive reinforcements right when needed

Yeah, the point of Dorne is the same as the point of the Vale, or the Riverlands, or Marjoryland (forget what it's called), or any other land that doesn't have a claimant to the throne. Or the Iron Islands for that matter.  They can either help a claimant, fuck a claimant, or sit out.

[Eddie Teach]

Yeah, the point of Dorne is the same as the point of the Vale, or the Riverlands, or Marjoryland (forget what it's called), or any other land that doesn't have a claimant to the throne. Or the Iron Islands for that matter.  They can either help a claimant, fuck a claimant, or sit out.

They haven't done any of that so far. I suppose they'd be most likely to assist a Targ (Dany) invasion, but there's been way more Dorne stuff than necessary to establish that.

[Admiral Yi]

They haven't done any of that so far. I suppose they'd be most likely to assist a Targ (Dany) invasion, but there's been way more Dorne stuff than necessary to establish that.

What has The Vale done?  Even less.  At least Dorne offed a Lannister, and a Lannister henchman.

[Eddie Teach]

What has The Vale done?  Even less.  At least Dorne offed a Lannister, and a Lannister henchman.

Both times the Vale has been featured prominently, there are central characters passing through. Then it falls back into obscurity. It hasn't really had a plot of its own.

[Hamilcar]

I maintain that Jon Snow's resurrection was a misdirection. Melisandre didn't do anything. Bran is warging him.

How the fuck would Bran warg a dead body?

The Others do exactly that.

[Habbaku]

No, see, that's magical re-animation.  Completely different from magical animation.

[Martinus]

Gay of Thrones review of episode 2 is up:

http://www.towleroad.com/2016/05/gay-of-thrones-3/

His take on the Highsparrow and Jaime scene was the best part imo.

[Jaron]

This is the most successful thread Tyr has ever made.

[Berkut]

I maintain that Jon Snow's resurrection was a misdirection. Melisandre didn't do anything. Bran is warging him.

How the fuck would Bran warg a dead body?

The Others do exactly that.

So you think Bran is an Other and Jon is going to come back as a largely mindless zombie?

[Martinus]

I think it's a wacky theory. I do think Jon will be somewhat "diminished" from his experience, but it will still be him. So if anything it will be more like Lady Stoneheart thing, where he has a "driving goal" and starts to forget about other aspects of his life.

[grumbler]

I think it's a wacky theory. I do think Jon will be somewhat "diminished" from his experience, but it will still be him. So if anything it will be more like Lady Stoneheart thing, where he has a "driving goal" and starts to forget about other aspects of his life.

I can understand why people think he is going to be diminished based on the revival stuff we have seen so far, but I can't think of a story reason for this to be true, and bringing back the character as "jon Snow, only not Jon Snow" seems like a recipe for turning off the fans and complicating the writers' lives.  If Jon Snow is only physically back, then all of the character development done for his character is now wasted, because no one knows what is still valid and what is now invalid.

It will be a lot easier on everyone to just have him come back to life, same as before, but no longer in the Night's Watch.  The warg into Ghost can explain why his resurrection is different from the others, and the show can move on.