Game of Thrones begins....

[Berkut]

Yes your right - the complaint about Sansa is that she escaped, rather than sitting on her ass. Because those are the only two possible options.

[Grey Fox]

What are the other options? If the show makes something else ups, the complaints would be of even more departure from Book Sansa.

[Berkut]

What are the other options? If the show makes something else ups, the complaints would be of even more departure from Book Sansa.

The show departed from book Sansa a long, long time ago, and nobody who has expressed a complaint about her story has based that complaint on her being outside the scope of the book.

You are inventing an argument that nobody has made, I think there is a word for that.

[Grey Fox]

While the show has departed from Book Sansa a long time ago, that has not stopped the complaints.

[Eddie Teach]

The complaints are about where it took her.

[Berkut]

While the show has departed from Book Sansa a long time ago, that has not stopped the complaints.

Of course - the complaints are about how the show has managed her story SINCE it departed from the books.

So yeah, that has not stopped the complaints, rather the opposite.

Personally, my annoyance has nothing to do with the show departing from the books (and it isn't really even a departure per se, they just continued her story beyond where the books have left off), but rather I think the writers have done a poor job telling the story in it's own right, absent the book entirely.

[crazy canuck]

if the show adopted sansa's book plot, people would find it incredibly boring. she just isn't doing anything right now. and, she may not do anything in the next book, too. her whole arc in the book may in fact be just to show littlefinger's actions without having to show his inner thoughts. anything more might very well be fanfiction, like stannis winning.

sansa's current book plot wouldn't fit the show. they'd be better off cutting her completely than show a season of her getting talked to by littlefinger. at least the show is using her. because the show does what the books cannot do - provide multiple POVs not found in the books because doing so would spoil plotlines.

Ok, so why write her into this season at all then.  Isnt that the point.  It served no purpose.

[viper37]

Ok, so why write her into this season at all then.  Isnt that the point.  It served no purpose.

they needed somoene to advance Littlefinger and the Bolton's story.  In the books, he reuses a minor character called Jeyne Poole wich is passed as Arya Stark.  In the series, that would have been confusing a little since I'm not sure we ever saw her, and b) it required putting a new actress under contract.  Aside the budget constraints, there is the casting issue: do you find the right actress for that, at the right age?  That's a lot of risk, and they only have 20hrs left to tell the story.

[crazy canuck]

Ok, so why write her into this season at all then.  Isnt that the point.  It served no purpose.

they needed somoene to advance Littlefinger and the Bolton's story.  In the books, he reuses a minor character called Jeyne Poole wich is passed as Arya Stark.  In the series, that would have been confusing a little since I'm not sure we ever saw her, and b) it required putting a new actress under contract.  Aside the budget constraints, there is the casting issue: do you find the right actress for that, at the right age?  That's a lot of risk, and they only have 20hrs left to tell the story.

Jeyne was in the show. It would have been just as easy to write her into this season as it would have been to create a meaningless story arc for Sansa.  It probably came down to the cost of paying another actress to advance the story of both Bolton and Theon.  Littlefinger didn't need to appear this season either.

[Berkut]

Ok, so why write her into this season at all then.  Isnt that the point.  It served no purpose.

they needed somoene to advance Littlefinger and the Bolton's story.  In the books, he reuses a minor character called Jeyne Poole wich is passed as Arya Stark.  In the series, that would have been confusing a little since I'm not sure we ever saw her, and b) it required putting a new actress under contract.  Aside the budget constraints, there is the casting issue: do you find the right actress for that, at the right age?  That's a lot of risk, and they only have 20hrs left to tell the story.

Jeyne was in the show. It would have been just as easy to write her into this season as it would have been to create a meaningless story arc for Sansa.  It probably came down to the cost of paying another actress to advance the story of both Bolton and Theon.  Littlefinger didn't need to appear this season either.

I think it was just kind of lazy writing. There is a lot going on in the show, and I suspect the Sansa story was just not really focused on much, and by the time they realized it kind of sucked, it was probably too late to revise.

That is my guess anyway. It is a ridiculously complex story and show, and really, if this is the only example once it is all done where we look back and say "Yeah, the Sansa story after the Vale really kind of sucked" it will still be a pretty astounding series.

[Josephus]

if the show adopted sansa's book plot, people would find it incredibly boring. she just isn't doing anything right now. and, she may not do anything in the next book, too. her whole arc in the book may in fact be just to show littlefinger's actions without having to show his inner thoughts. anything more might very well be fanfiction, like stannis winning.

sansa's current book plot wouldn't fit the show. they'd be better off cutting her completely than show a season of her getting talked to by littlefinger. at least the show is using her. because the show does what the books cannot do - provide multiple POVs not found in the books because doing so would spoil plotlines.

Ok, so why write her into this season at all then.  Isnt that the point.  It served no purpose.

She was the vehicle to take us to Winterfell. Arguably a boring part of the plot but it may have implications down the road, especially with  Reek's rehabilitaton

[viper37]

Littlefinger didn't need to appear this season either.

true.  All we needed were Jon Snow and Daenerys.  The rest, we had no use for.  It's not like there's 20 episodes left to finish the story, after all, we can afford to squander in every direction like the author of the books and make another season if need be, just like he would write another book.

[LaCroix]

Ok, so why write her into this season at all then.  Isnt that the point.  It served no purpose.

she's a major stark kid that's not becoming a tree. you can't really cut her out - that ain't kosher. jeyne poole wouldn't have worked, imo. as was mentioned at some point in this thread, it's a weak/kinda unrealistic plot in the books. but, this would be worse than the books because we have actual visuals.

then there's the logistics of paying/dealing with another actress in an already huge cast. they already brought lancel back from the dead, introduced a ton of meereen people and an entire dukedom, etc. and, theon saving sansa is a better and more intimate plot than theon saving some random chick he probably took two glances at back in the day.

there's a lot of reasons why they included this plot, and the S5 sansa plot is by far not the worst thing this show has delivered. complaints about it remind me of the barristan death complaints: "but the books didn't do that!"

[Admiral Yi]

Funny line LaCroix.

[LaCroix]

it's just some of the criticisms are so focused on comparisons between the show and the book that i think it gets lost that they're two completely separate, distinct forms of entertainment