Game of Thrones begins....

[Neil]

Unsullied: Most overrated combat troops ever? How can a rag tag bunch of misfits like the Sons of the Harpy bring down so many of them so easily?

To be fair, they were either assassinated or vastly outnumbered. But it did look like the only really good fighter they had was Grey Worm.

Even if outnumbered, they are supposed to be elite troops, they should be able to take on a bunch of amateurs without breaking a sweat. I guess that they are meant to be lead by others, given that they're dragged into traps so easily.

The problem might be that they're soldiers, not policemen.  The two jobs are very different.

[The Larch]

Unsullied: Most overrated combat troops ever? How can a rag tag bunch of misfits like the Sons of the Harpy bring down so many of them so easily?

To be fair, they were either assassinated or vastly outnumbered. But it did look like the only really good fighter they had was Grey Worm.

Even if outnumbered, they are supposed to be elite troops, they should be able to take on a bunch of amateurs without breaking a sweat. I guess that they are meant to be lead by others, given that they're dragged into traps so easily.

The problem might be that they're soldiers, not policemen.  The two jobs are very different.

I agree, and IIRC they even say so in the books as well. Then again, this was plain combat, and they were useless. No attempt to make a formation at all, and take advantage of their training, which is what sets them appart from their rivals. That's rather poor showing.

[Berkut]

No kidding. I usually just assume it is the nerd in me, but that kind of thing annoys me to no end, simply because it looks bad, it makes them look kind of pathetic, AND you could tell the same story in the same time in a much better way simply by having them fight like soldiers, and kick some ass before succumbing to numbers after being trapped. Hell, you could make it downright heroic.

The only possible reason I can think of for making them all look like chumps is some weird desire to make Grey Worm look exceptional?

[grumbler]

No kidding. I usually just assume it is the nerd in me, but that kind of thing annoys me to no end, simply because it looks bad, it makes them look kind of pathetic, AND you could tell the same story in the same time in a much better way simply by having them fight like soldiers, and kick some ass before succumbing to numbers after being trapped. Hell, you could make it downright heroic.

The only possible reason I can think of for making them all look like chumps is some weird desire to make Grey Worm look exceptional?

Almost all of the fights in the show have been done fairly clumsily.  I suppose that, if the show must have a weakness, that's one of the more tolerable ones.

[Berkut]

No kidding. I usually just assume it is the nerd in me, but that kind of thing annoys me to no end, simply because it looks bad, it makes them look kind of pathetic, AND you could tell the same story in the same time in a much better way simply by having them fight like soldiers, and kick some ass before succumbing to numbers after being trapped. Hell, you could make it downright heroic.

The only possible reason I can think of for making them all look like chumps is some weird desire to make Grey Worm look exceptional?

Almost all of the fights in the show have been done fairly clumsily.  I suppose that, if the show must have a weakness, that's one of the more tolerable ones.

I am ok with the individual fights. They are...ok.

And this I guess is blocked out the same - some soldiers get trapped, and they all fight as individuals, in 8 little separate fights, instead of (obviously) a bunch of trained spearmen immediately forming into ranks and daring any of the masked guys to come close.

[Razgovory]

Realistic combat in film and television is pretty uncommon.

[Martinus]

Loved the Shereen and Stannis scene. By the way, does it imply that the Dornish deliberately infected Shereen with the grey scale - or am I reading too much into the doll story? They sure would have a reason to want to get back at Baratheons.

[The Larch]

Loved the Shereen and Stannis scene. By the way, does it imply that the Dornish deliberately infected Shereen with the grey scale - or am I reading too much into the doll story? They sure would have a reason to want to get back at Baratheons.

You're reading too much into that anecdote.

Btw, regarding the end of episode 4 and its consequences... [spoiler]it is confirmed by the actor that Ser Barristan is dead.[/spoiler]

[Martinus]

Also, does anyone else think that the Teenage Mutant Ninja Sand Snakes should have been introduced into a Tarantinoesque montage, with each of presented with the weapon of choice?

[Martinus]

Loved the Shereen and Stannis scene. By the way, does it imply that the Dornish deliberately infected Shereen with the grey scale - or am I reading too much into the doll story? They sure would have a reason to want to get back at Baratheons.

You're reading too much into that anecdote.

Btw, regarding the end of episode 4 and its consequences... [spoiler]it is confirmed by the actor that Ser Barristan is dead.[/spoiler]

Well, that blows. Just as we were getting "Rhaegar is not a rapist" stories. Danny is fucked.

[The Larch]

Loved the Shereen and Stannis scene. By the way, does it imply that the Dornish deliberately infected Shereen with the grey scale - or am I reading too much into the doll story? They sure would have a reason to want to get back at Baratheons.

You're reading too much into that anecdote.

Btw, regarding the end of episode 4 and its consequences... [spoiler]it is confirmed by the actor that Ser Barristan is dead.[/spoiler]

Well, that blows. Just as we were getting "Rhaegar is not a rapist" stories. Danny is fucked.

[spoiler]It clears the way for Jorah Mormont's return. It would have been impossible if Selmy was still around.[/spoiler]

[Berkut]

Loved the Shereen and Stannis scene. By the way, does it imply that the Dornish deliberately infected Shereen with the grey scale - or am I reading too much into the doll story? They sure would have a reason to want to get back at Baratheons.

You're reading too much into that anecdote.

Btw, regarding the end of episode 4 and its consequences... [spoiler]it is confirmed by the actor that Ser Barristan is dead.[/spoiler]

Well, that blows. Just as we were getting "Rhaegar is not a rapist" stories. Danny is fucked.

[spoiler]It clears the way for Jorah Mormont's return. It would have been impossible if Selmy was still around.[/spoiler]

Indeed, it basically make Mormont's return a necessity. Kind of weird - she is replacing Barristna with Tyrion?

[Valmy]

Read the thread. This was noted - but his claim was still not by birth. It's not like absent the rebellion, anyone was sitting around discussing whether Robert should be the next king.

If a freak accident had wiped out all the Targs they would have. Besides you cannot have Robert's Rebellion without the claim. That was a pretty vital piece for why the rebellion worked.

[Josephus]

Loved the Shereen and Stannis scene. By the way, does it imply that the Dornish deliberately infected Shereen with the grey scale - or am I reading too much into the doll story? They sure would have a reason to want to get back at Baratheons.

You're reading too much into that anecdote.

Is he? I took it to mean that she contracted the grey scale from the doll.

[Josephus]

Loved the Shereen and Stannis scene. By the way, does it imply that the Dornish deliberately infected Shereen with the grey scale - or am I reading too much into the doll story? They sure would have a reason to want to get back at Baratheons.

Btw, regarding the end of episode 4 and its consequences... [spoiler]it is confirmed by the actor that Ser Barristan is dead.[/spoiler]

That's another departure from the books, is it not?