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Started by Josquius, April 04, 2011, 03:39:14 AM

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Siege

Quote from: Razgovory on April 07, 2012, 11:32:26 PM
Quote from: grumbler on April 07, 2012, 10:07:17 PM
Quote from: Siege on April 07, 2012, 09:50:14 PM
Yes, but now the kids cannot watch the show.
:huh:  You have kids?

He will.

Siege, the books are not children's books.  They are entertainment meant for adults.  The series reflects that.  Don't take that as me agreeing with the need for all the sex scenes, but this is not meant for kids.

Yes, but the story is great and teach kids about real life and bad people.
Besides, without GoT, the only thing left is LOTR and its fake green blob stealing Pelennor Fields from the sacrify of the real people of ME.
I'm not over the green blob yet.


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Queequeg

I could see giving GoT to a mature 13-14 year old, but giving it to an actual kid strikes me as near-pathological.  There's graphic incest in the first 30 pages.
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its amusing/pretty lame the way modern society is so aghast at kids getting a hint of anything sexual but we've no problem with violence being shown to them.
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Razgovory

Quote from: Siege on April 08, 2012, 10:20:11 AM


Yes, but the story is great and teach kids about real life and bad people.
Besides, without GoT, the only thing left is LOTR and its fake green blob stealing Pelennor Fields from the sacrify of the real people of ME.
I'm not over the green blob yet.

I don't think there a great deal to teach a kid about real life.  At least not anything that isn't in other novels.  There are also more then two sets of fantasy novels.  Harry Potter, the Wizard of Oz, and the Jungle Book are all fantasy books geared more toward children and have been made into films.
I've given it serious thought. I must scorn the ways of my family, and seek a Japanese woman to yield me my progeny. He shall live in the lands of the east, and be well tutored in his sacred trust to weave the best traditions of Japan and the Sacred South together, until such time as he (or, indeed his house, which will periodically require infusion of both Southern and Japanese bloodlines of note) can deliver to the South it's independence, either in this world or in space.  -Lettow April of 2011

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Admiral Yi

Quote from: Tyr on April 08, 2012, 11:28:56 AM
its amusing/pretty lame the way modern society is so aghast at kids getting a hint of anything sexual but we've no problem with violence being shown to them.

Video games get rated MA all the time for violence, at least in the US.

grumbler

Quote from: Tyr on April 08, 2012, 11:28:56 AM
its amusing/pretty lame the way modern society is so aghast at kids getting a hint of anything sexual but we've no problem with violence being shown to them.
Why don't you have a problem showing violence to kids?  I agree that your problem is pretty lame, but I don't think you quite realize what your problem actually is.
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Quote from: Tyr on April 08, 2012, 11:28:56 AM
its amusing/pretty lame the way modern society is so aghast at kids getting a hint of anything sexual but we've no problem with violence being shown to them.

Scandinavian sensors work the other way round with violence, even comic violence, being tabu while sex is not.
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Quote from: Admiral Yi on April 08, 2012, 12:13:33 PM
Quote from: Tyr on April 08, 2012, 11:28:56 AM
its amusing/pretty lame the way modern society is so aghast at kids getting a hint of anything sexual but we've no problem with violence being shown to them.

Video games get rated MA all the time for violence, at least in the US.

I think it's a matter of degree, though.

Chainsaw carnage should be the equivalent of, say, BDSM child rape. One guy punching another should be the equivalent of, say, Janet Jackson showing a boob.

But they are not treated the same way.

garbon

Quote from: Martinus on April 08, 2012, 02:29:28 PM
Quote from: Admiral Yi on April 08, 2012, 12:13:33 PM
Quote from: Tyr on April 08, 2012, 11:28:56 AM
its amusing/pretty lame the way modern society is so aghast at kids getting a hint of anything sexual but we've no problem with violence being shown to them.

Video games get rated MA all the time for violence, at least in the US.

I think it's a matter of degree, though.

Chainsaw carnage should be the equivalent of, say, BDSM child rape. One guy punching another should be the equivalent of, say, Janet Jackson showing a boob.

But they are not treated the same way.

Perhaps because your comparisons are flawed?
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Quote from: Queequeg on April 08, 2012, 10:32:02 AM
I could see giving GoT to a mature 13-14 year old, but giving it to an actual kid strikes me as near-pathological.  There's graphic incest in the first 30 pages.

I just started reading the series again and I had forgotten that Catelyn's second chapter has her laying in bed thinking about Ned's seed in her. :x
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Quote from: Viking on April 08, 2012, 02:04:46 PM
Quote from: Tyr on April 08, 2012, 11:28:56 AM
its amusing/pretty lame the way modern society is so aghast at kids getting a hint of anything sexual but we've no problem with violence being shown to them.

Scandinavian sensors work the other way round with violence, even comic violence, being tabu while sex is not.
it's the same everywhere but in America.  This is why all the world is filled with moral degenerates fucking everyone and their dog while America is filled with moral degenerates killing everyone and their dog.
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Quote from: Tyr on April 08, 2012, 11:28:56 AM
its amusing/pretty lame the way modern society is so aghast at kids getting a hint of anything sexual but we've no problem with violence being shown to them.

"Modern society"?
This is the way it have ALWAYS been.
Violence is done and received in a community enviroment, with your family, kin and friends fighting and dying with you.
While sex is and have been a PRIVATE enterprise, done in the privacy of your home/shag/room/cave/hole in the ground.

Violence is public, sex is private.
This should be a concept easy to understand.


"All men are created equal, then some become infantry."

"Those who beat their swords into plowshares will plow for those who don't."

"Laissez faire et laissez passer, le monde va de lui même!"


Razgovory

Quote from: Siege on April 09, 2012, 12:56:58 AM
Quote from: Tyr on April 08, 2012, 11:28:56 AM
its amusing/pretty lame the way modern society is so aghast at kids getting a hint of anything sexual but we've no problem with violence being shown to them.

"Modern society"?
This is the way it have ALWAYS been.
Violence is done and received in a community enviroment, with your family, kin and friends fighting and dying with you.
While sex is and have been a PRIVATE enterprise, done in the privacy of your home/shag/room/cave/hole in the ground.

Violence is public, sex is private.
This should be a concept easy to understand.

Thanks for the lesson in anthropology.  Unfortunately sexual activity isn't always private and violence isn't always public.  Murder is typically done in private and there are many occasions of ritual sex in history.
I've given it serious thought. I must scorn the ways of my family, and seek a Japanese woman to yield me my progeny. He shall live in the lands of the east, and be well tutored in his sacred trust to weave the best traditions of Japan and the Sacred South together, until such time as he (or, indeed his house, which will periodically require infusion of both Southern and Japanese bloodlines of note) can deliver to the South it's independence, either in this world or in space.  -Lettow April of 2011

Raz is right. -MadImmortalMan March of 2017

Siege

Quote from: Razgovory on April 09, 2012, 01:08:06 AM
Quote from: Siege on April 09, 2012, 12:56:58 AM
Quote from: Tyr on April 08, 2012, 11:28:56 AM
its amusing/pretty lame the way modern society is so aghast at kids getting a hint of anything sexual but we've no problem with violence being shown to them.

"Modern society"?
This is the way it have ALWAYS been.
Violence is done and received in a community enviroment, with your family, kin and friends fighting and dying with you.
While sex is and have been a PRIVATE enterprise, done in the privacy of your home/shag/room/cave/hole in the ground.

Violence is public, sex is private.
This should be a concept easy to understand.

Thanks for the lesson in anthropology.  Unfortunately sexual activity isn't always private and violence isn't always public.  Murder is typically done in private and there are many occasions of ritual sex in history.

Both of which are nowhere as common as public violence in war and private sex in marriage.
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"All men are created equal, then some become infantry."

"Those who beat their swords into plowshares will plow for those who don't."

"Laissez faire et laissez passer, le monde va de lui même!"