Game of Thrones begins....

[The Larch]

But he'd also be the son of his one true love, even if not by him. At the very least he'd be extremely torn on what to do with him should that be the case.

Agreed, being a targaryen bastard is enough, but being the proof that Lyanna loved someone else more than him should be enough for Robert to kill him as well.

How can you agree with what I say and then turn it the other way around in the same sentence? 

[Viking]

But he'd also be the son of his one true love, even if not by him. At the very least he'd be extremely torn on what to do with him should that be the case.

Agreed, being a targaryen bastard is enough, but being the proof that Lyanna loved someone else more than him should be enough for Robert to kill him as well.

How can you agree with what I say and then turn it the other way around in the same sentence? 

I'm just saying either reason is good enough.

[The Larch]

But he'd also be the son of his one true love, even if not by him. At the very least he'd be extremely torn on what to do with him should that be the case.

Agreed, being a targaryen bastard is enough, but being the proof that Lyanna loved someone else more than him should be enough for Robert to kill him as well.

How can you agree with what I say and then turn it the other way around in the same sentence? 

I'm just saying either reason is good enough.

Another thing, you assume that Robert would know that Lyanna was willing, when he could perfectly go on with his already engraved in stone mantra of "Rhaegar abducted and raped her". 

[Faeelin]

Last night's episode was pretty good, but did the scene with Daenerys and Viserys really go down like that in teh books? I thought Dany was more assertive by that point.

[Siege]

Better to be the bastard of the King and a Lady of the North, then the bastard of the Lord of the North and a random wench.

No, more likely to get yourself slaughtered. That's why Ned hid him. If you didn't notice Cersei sent out men to chase down some of Roberts bastards.

This is an understatement. Robert's bastards may be a problem for Cersei but they are not a problem for the state. If Robert knew Jon Snow was a Targaeryn (whether a bastard or not) he would have him killed on the spot - a bastard like this would be a perfect rally point for all Targaeryn loyalists.

In fact, I find it surprising that Timmy does not realize that.

But a bastard surely cannot hope to be crowned king.
Do we have any historical examples of bastard kings?

[Slargos]

Better to be the bastard of the King and a Lady of the North, then the bastard of the Lord of the North and a random wench.

No, more likely to get yourself slaughtered. That's why Ned hid him. If you didn't notice Cersei sent out men to chase down some of Roberts bastards.

This is an understatement. Robert's bastards may be a problem for Cersei but they are not a problem for the state. If Robert knew Jon Snow was a Targaeryn (whether a bastard or not) he would have him killed on the spot - a bastard like this would be a perfect rally point for all Targaeryn loyalists.

In fact, I find it surprising that Timmy does not realize that.

But a bastard surely cannot hope to be crowned king.
Do we have any historical examples of bastard kings?

William the Bastard, though he was technically speaking King by conquest rather than lineage.

[The Brain]

Better to be the bastard of the King and a Lady of the North, then the bastard of the Lord of the North and a random wench.

No, more likely to get yourself slaughtered. That's why Ned hid him. If you didn't notice Cersei sent out men to chase down some of Roberts bastards.

This is an understatement. Robert's bastards may be a problem for Cersei but they are not a problem for the state. If Robert knew Jon Snow was a Targaeryn (whether a bastard or not) he would have him killed on the spot - a bastard like this would be a perfect rally point for all Targaeryn loyalists.

In fact, I find it surprising that Timmy does not realize that.

But a bastard surely cannot hope to be crowned king.
Do we have any historical examples of bastard kings?

In Westeros?

[The Minsky Moment]

But a bastard surely cannot hope to be crowned king.
Do we have any historical examples of bastard kings?

Henry VII's claim to the throne was through descent from a bastard of John of Gaunt.

[Viking]

William the Bastard, though he was technically speaking King by conquest rather than lineage.

No, Harold Godwinsson promised William fealty during his extended visit in Normany.

[Valmy]

No, Harold Godwinsson promised William fealty during his extended visit in Normany.

Supposedly.  Not that I would disparage the integrity of my glorious Norman ancestors

[Solmyr]

But a bastard surely cannot hope to be crowned king.
Do we have any historical examples of bastard kings?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ramiro_I_of_Aragon

[Solmyr]

The Arya & Syrio scene was full of win.

[Martinus]

I'm more and more in love with Cersei Lannister. She reminds me of Atia of the Julii. 

[Martinus]

I'm not sure, but I think I liked this episode the most so far. It wasn't as fast, action-wise, as the second but probably had the best character-driven scenes. Everyone from Cersei, to Jaime, to Tyrion, to Jon, to Arya, to the Small Council were perfect.

[Josquius]

A slow episode indeed...
They could really do with slotting in a flashback to the Trident...just a wee one.
Decent enough episode I suppose for someone never having read the book but its just telling me things I already know.