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[jimmy olsen]

Not brother, father of the girl.

Brother

Bastard half brother

We still have no reason to believe that even if Lyanna and Rhaegar were the parents that Jon would be anything but a bastard. Rhaegar was married to Elia Martell at the time iirc.

Brother refers to Rhaegar.

Grey Fox was refering to Aerys .

damn... getting confused..

Dany would be Jon's Aunt if Rhaegar and Lyanna are his parents, but since Rhaegar and Lyanna don't seem to have been married and Rhaegar was already married he would still be a bastard, just not Ned Starks bastard.

Better to be the bastard of the King and a Lady of the North, then the bastard of the Lord of the North and a random wench.

[Grey Fox]

I'm confused but all I was saying is that Rhaegar is Dany's father.

[jimmy olsen]

I'm confused but all I was saying is that Rhaegar is Dany's father.

Nope.

http://viewers-guide.hbo.com/game-of-thrones/#!/guide/houses/targaryen/

[Habbaku]

I'm confused but all I was saying is that Rhaegar is Dany's father.

  That's never so much as hinted at.  It's always very clear that Dany and Viserys are just Rhaegar's younger siblings.

[Grey Fox]

Man, that's complicated.


Sorry, I am wrong. As I said, I am confused, just more then I thought.

For some reason I was confusing Rhaegar & Aerys.

[Maximus]

There is actually a rather weak theory that Rhaegar is Danaeris's father. The idea is that his son Aegon is still alive and the two of them, together with Jon, make a trio of Targaryen half-siblings. Three heads of the dragon, etc.

[Martinus]

There is actually a rather weak theory that Rhaegar is Danaeris's father. The idea is that his son Aegon is still alive and the two of them, together with Jon, make a trio of Targaryen half-siblings. Three heads of the dragon, etc.

Actually, Tyrion being the third head is more likely.

[Slargos]

A slow episode. 

[Viking]

Better to be the bastard of the King and a Lady of the North, then the bastard of the Lord of the North and a random wench.

No, more likely to get yourself slaughtered. That's why Ned hid him. If you didn't notice Cersei sent out men to chase down some of Roberts bastards.

[Martinus]

Better to be the bastard of the King and a Lady of the North, then the bastard of the Lord of the North and a random wench.

No, more likely to get yourself slaughtered. That's why Ned hid him. If you didn't notice Cersei sent out men to chase down some of Roberts bastards.

This is an understatement. Robert's bastards may be a problem for Cersei but they are not a problem for the state. If Robert knew Jon Snow was a Targaeryn (whether a bastard or not) he would have him killed on the spot - a bastard like this would be a perfect rally point for all Targaeryn loyalists.

In fact, I find it surprising that Timmy does not realize that.

[Slargos]

Better to be the bastard of the King and a Lady of the North, then the bastard of the Lord of the North and a random wench.

No, more likely to get yourself slaughtered. That's why Ned hid him. If you didn't notice Cersei sent out men to chase down some of Roberts bastards.

This is an understatement. Robert's bastards may be a problem for Cersei but they are not a problem for the state. If Robert knew Jon Snow was a Targaeryn (whether a bastard or not) he would have him killed on the spot - a bastard like this would be a perfect rally point for all Targaeryn loyalists.

In fact, I find it surprising that Timmy does not realize that.

The Americans have been too long away from the sheltering hand of Royalty. 

[katmai]

Thank God

[jimmy olsen]

Better to be the bastard of the King and a Lady of the North, then the bastard of the Lord of the North and a random wench.

No, more likely to get yourself slaughtered. That's why Ned hid him. If you didn't notice Cersei sent out men to chase down some of Roberts bastards.

This is an understatement. Robert's bastards may be a problem for Cersei but they are not a problem for the state. If Robert knew Jon Snow was a Targaeryn (whether a bastard or not) he would have him killed on the spot - a bastard like this would be a perfect rally point for all Targaeryn loyalists.

In fact, I find it surprising that Timmy does not realize that.

Better for him now I mean. Obviously the truth couldn't be known at the time.

[The Larch]

Better to be the bastard of the King and a Lady of the North, then the bastard of the Lord of the North and a random wench.

No, more likely to get yourself slaughtered. That's why Ned hid him. If you didn't notice Cersei sent out men to chase down some of Roberts bastards.

This is an understatement. Robert's bastards may be a problem for Cersei but they are not a problem for the state. If Robert knew Jon Snow was a Targaeryn (whether a bastard or not) he would have him killed on the spot - a bastard like this would be a perfect rally point for all Targaeryn loyalists.

In fact, I find it surprising that Timmy does not realize that.

But he'd also be the son of his one true love, even if not by him. At the very least he'd be extremely torn on what to do with him should that be the case.

[Viking]

But he'd also be the son of his one true love, even if not by him. At the very least he'd be extremely torn on what to do with him should that be the case.

Agreed, being a targaryen bastard is enough, but being the proof that Lyanna loved someone else more than him should be enough for Robert to kill him as well.

Robert hates the Targaryens with a burning hate, while Ned Stark does not. You have to remember that all of the causes of the war were Mad King Aerys' crazy behaviour towards the Starks as a result of Rhaegars kidnapping of Lyanna Stark (who was promised to Robert in Marriage). The execution of Brandon Stark and Jon Stark and mass accusations of treason , followed by the demand of Jon Arryn that he hand over Ned and Robert to be executed as well. None of this seems to be especially insulting to Robert Baratheon (apart from the demand that Jon hand him over). That can all be put down to Aerys being crazy.

If anything Ned Stark has most cause to hate the Targaryens but does not. Robert has little reason to hate them but does intensely. That is why I think it was a love match between Rhaegar and Lyanna.