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Started by Josquius, April 04, 2011, 03:39:14 AM

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Grey Fox

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Slargos




"OMG! Why si taht bride suddenli in teh pictur? Shes not getting marrid so wai? Not relevance to stori! This is BS!!!1111"

You will see, you dumb canuckle fuckle, that it's all connected.

The Larch

Quote from: Grey Fox on April 26, 2011, 07:40:12 AM
Quote from: The Larch on April 26, 2011, 07:36:04 AM
Then why don't you wait to see what happens?

I was just asking.

You seemed to be exasperasted and/or complaining about it rather than asking.  :P

Unless I missed it in the 2nd episode, IIRC in the book it is mentiond that they're going inland for some ceremonial purpose at their capital, the Vaes Dothrak village that appears in the opening credits. There's also the tiny aspect of them lacking transport ships across the sea. In the next episode you'll get Viserys (the bleached blonde perv) complaining about the situation.

Grey Fox

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Quote from: Slargos on April 26, 2011, 07:45:12 AM



"OMG! Why si taht bride suddenli in teh pictur? Shes not getting marrid so wai? Not relevance to stori! This is BS!!!1111"

You will see, you dumb canuckle fuckle, that it's all connected.

:lol: I'm not sorry for not trusting Writers to do a good job & stick to their stories.
Colonel Caliga is Awesome.

Grey Fox

Quote from: The Larch on April 26, 2011, 07:47:56 AM
Quote from: Grey Fox on April 26, 2011, 07:40:12 AM
Quote from: The Larch on April 26, 2011, 07:36:04 AM
Then why don't you wait to see what happens?

I was just asking.
You seemed to be exasperasted and/or complaining about it rather than asking.  :P


A little yes. You guys tell me it will lead somewhere & that's fine but so far it seems to only serve to take screen time away from what appears to be more interesting things, like Tyrion, Jon Snow & Ned. That & Emilia Clarke boobies.
Colonel Caliga is Awesome.

The Larch

Quote from: Grey Fox on April 26, 2011, 07:52:21 AM
Quote from: The Larch on April 26, 2011, 07:47:56 AM
Quote from: Grey Fox on April 26, 2011, 07:40:12 AM
Quote from: The Larch on April 26, 2011, 07:36:04 AM
Then why don't you wait to see what happens?

I was just asking.
You seemed to be exasperasted and/or complaining about it rather than asking.  :P


A little yes. You guys tell me it will lead somewhere & that's fine but so far it seems to only serve to take screen time away from what appears to be more interesting things, like Tyrion, Jon Snow & Ned. That & Emilia Clarke boobies.

This is a series where it pays off to be patient. Events will unfold.  ;)

Razgovory

Quote from: Grey Fox on April 26, 2011, 07:15:47 AM
Because if they don't interact with Westeros, who gives a shit?

That's my argument.

This was a beef I had with the books.  You have these people on the other side of the world who have little effect on the rest of the story line.  I assume that toward the end several heroes will migrate to the Dragon queen chick and help her as she restores her throne.  Still, it's like having a novel about the Teutonic crusaders but some chapters are devoted to young Genghis Khan.  Sure he'll make an impact on the other characters, it just happens about 7,000 pages down the line.
I've given it serious thought. I must scorn the ways of my family, and seek a Japanese woman to yield me my progeny. He shall live in the lands of the east, and be well tutored in his sacred trust to weave the best traditions of Japan and the Sacred South together, until such time as he (or, indeed his house, which will periodically require infusion of both Southern and Japanese bloodlines of note) can deliver to the South it's independence, either in this world or in space.  -Lettow April of 2011

Raz is right. -MadImmortalMan March of 2017

Grey Fox

Colonel Caliga is Awesome.

Slargos

Quote from: Razgovory on April 26, 2011, 07:57:59 AM
Quote from: Grey Fox on April 26, 2011, 07:15:47 AM
Because if they don't interact with Westeros, who gives a shit?

That's my argument.

This was a beef I had with the books.  You have these people on the other side of the world who have little effect on the rest of the story line.  I assume that toward the end several heroes will migrate to the Dragon queen chick and help her as she restores her throne.  Still, it's like having a novel about the Teutonic crusaders but some chapters are devoted to young Genghis Khan.  Sure he'll make an impact on the other characters, it just happens about 7,000 pages down the line.

I see your point, and I really liked how Feist and Wurts dealt with this for the Riftwar Cycle..

Personally, I don't have a problem with it, even if I definitely felt at points that the Dothraki storyline was a bit weak.

grumbler

Quote from: Razgovory on April 26, 2011, 07:57:59 AM
This was a beef I had with the books.  You have these people on the other side of the world who have little effect on the rest of the story line.  I assume that toward the end several heroes will migrate to the Dragon queen chick and help her as she restores her throne.  Still, it's like having a novel about the Teutonic crusaders but some chapters are devoted to young Genghis Khan.  Sure he'll make an impact on the other characters, it just happens about 7,000 pages down the line.
I don't mind this happening once, or even twice.  The problem I have with the books is that it happens about 20 times, and most of those story lines will be meaningless in the final resolution of the story.  If Dani dies half-way through book 5, then GF will have grounds for his complaint.  Some characters have already died in the books, and had they never been POV characters the books wouldn't be at all different.
The future is all around us, waiting, in moments of transition, to be born in moments of revelation. No one knows the shape of that future or where it will take us. We know only that it is always born in pain.   -G'Kar

Bayraktar!

Slargos

Quote from: grumbler on April 26, 2011, 08:03:39 AM
Quote from: Razgovory on April 26, 2011, 07:57:59 AM
This was a beef I had with the books.  You have these people on the other side of the world who have little effect on the rest of the story line.  I assume that toward the end several heroes will migrate to the Dragon queen chick and help her as she restores her throne.  Still, it's like having a novel about the Teutonic crusaders but some chapters are devoted to young Genghis Khan.  Sure he'll make an impact on the other characters, it just happens about 7,000 pages down the line.
I don't mind this happening once, or even twice.  The problem I have with the books is that it happens about 20 times, and most of those story lines will be meaningless in the final resolution of the story.  If Dani dies half-way through book 5, then GF will have grounds for his complaint.  Some characters have already died in the books, and had they never been POV characters the books wouldn't be at all different.

Isn't the entire point of a story to be emotionally engaging, though? Sure, the story could be written from a historian's perspective and there wouldn't be a need for POV at all, but how interesting would that be to read?

Is the entire Dothraki line a red herring? If so, I say well done.

Ed Anger

Needs moar David Weber style infodumps.
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Solmyr

Quote from: Grey Fox on April 26, 2011, 07:52:21 AM
A little yes. You guys tell me it will lead somewhere & that's fine but so far it seems to only serve to take screen time away from what appears to be more interesting things, like Tyrion, Jon Snow & Ned. That & Emilia Clarke boobies.

You realize that Emilia Clarke boobies are connected to the horse folks?

grumbler

Quote from: Slargos on April 26, 2011, 08:09:26 AM
Isn't the entire point of a story to be emotionally engaging, though?
Yes.  That's exactly my point.  There are so many characters, and their stories are so broken up, that it is difficult to identify with any of them.  Identification is the key to emotional engagement.

QuoteSure, the story could be written from a historian's perspective and there wouldn't be a need for POV at all, but how interesting would that be to read?
:x I recommend that you not write like this if you decide to write a novel.  Sounds like a horrible idea.  You can do appendices like that, though.  Tolkien did that, and so does Martin.  I'd restrict myself to appendices with your proposed style, were I you.
The future is all around us, waiting, in moments of transition, to be born in moments of revelation. No one knows the shape of that future or where it will take us. We know only that it is always born in pain.   -G'Kar

Bayraktar!

Ed Anger

Quote from: grumbler on April 26, 2011, 08:22:49 AM
:x I recommend that you not write like this if you decide to write a novel.  Sounds like a horrible idea.  You can do appendices like that, though.  Tolkien did that, and so does Martin.  I'd restrict myself to appendices with your proposed style, were I you.

I just had a Fitzpatrick's War flashback. Thanks.  :yuk: :yucky:
Stay Alive...Let the Man Drive