Seeking book recommendations : The Stuarts in England

Started by garbon, April 13, 2009, 11:51:56 AM

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Viking

#30
April 13, 2009, 03:48:56 PM
Just wait for the HBO series once they have done Henry VII and Bloody Mary with the Tudor's
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garbon

#31
April 13, 2009, 04:03:09 PM Last Edit: April 14, 2009, 11:20:02 AM by garbon
Quote from: Viking on April 13, 2009, 03:48:56 PM
Just wait for the HBO series once they have done Henry VII and Bloody Mary with the Tudor's

<_<

Here's what I have currently:

QuoteRichard Cust Charles I: A Political Life
Christopher Hibbert Charles I: A Life of Religion, War and Treason
Maureen Waller Ungrateful Daughters: The Stuart Princesses Who Stole Their Father's Crown
Leanda de Lisle After Elizabeth: The Rise of James of Scotland and the Struggle for the Throne of England
J.P. Kenyon Stuart England
Frank McLynn The Jacobites

I kinda want this :lol: :
http://www.amazon.com/Jacobites-Scothe-Books-Childrens-Activity-Book/dp/0114952507
"The Jacobites (Scothe Books-Children's Activity Book Series)"
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garbon

#32
April 13, 2009, 04:24:02 PM
/Do any good biographies of James I exist? I know so little of this famous homosexual. :weep:
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Habsburg

#33
April 13, 2009, 04:29:48 PM
English history makes Habsy  :zzz very sleepy.


I am presently reading Gold and Iron: Bismarck, Bleichroeder & the Building of the German Empire, by Fritz Stern.  It is super yum-yum. :mmm:

garbon

#34
April 13, 2009, 04:46:56 PM
Thanks for not helping. :P
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garbon

#35
April 13, 2009, 04:49:32 PM
You deleted the post, Valms, but I think it falls under the one drop rule...although in this case, the one drop doesn't refer to blood. :ph34r:
"I've never been quite sure what the point of a eunuch is, if truth be told. It seems to me they're only men with the useful bits cut off."
I drank because I wanted to drown my sorrows, but now the damned things have learned to swim.

Valmy

#36
April 13, 2009, 04:55:12 PM
Quote from: garbon on April 13, 2009, 04:49:32 PM
You deleted the post, Valms, but I think it falls under the one drop rule...although in this case, the one drop doesn't refer to blood. :ph34r:

I decided not to open up that particular can of worms :P

But understood -_-

I was saying that you can consider James a Homo only if you only give credence to his male affairs and completely ignore his female ones and his wife.
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Habsburg

#37
April 13, 2009, 05:28:37 PM
Quote from: garbon on April 13, 2009, 04:46:56 PM
Thanks for not helping. :P


Well the Stuarts are such a vile, brutish, disgusting clan. 
Poor Marie d'Guise having to wed one.  :cry:

garbon

#38
April 13, 2009, 05:34:29 PM
Quote from: Habsburg on April 13, 2009, 05:28:37 PM
Well the Stuarts are such a vile, brutish, disgusting clan. 
Poor Marie d'Guise having to wed one.  :cry:

The Guise. :x
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I drank because I wanted to drown my sorrows, but now the damned things have learned to swim.

Habsburg

#39
April 13, 2009, 06:20:03 PM
Quote from: garbon on April 13, 2009, 05:34:29 PM
Quote from: Habsburg on April 13, 2009, 05:28:37 PM
Well the Stuarts are such a vile, brutish, disgusting clan. 
Poor Marie d'Guise having to wed one.  :cry:

The Guise. :x

Teh Guise >>>>>>>>>> Stuarts
  :bleeding:

garbon

#40
April 13, 2009, 06:22:16 PM
Quote from: Habsburg on April 13, 2009, 06:20:03 PM
Teh Guise >>>>>>>>>> Stuarts
  :bleeding:

Puhleeze. The very existence of Mary Stuart gives the lie to that statement. Mary, what a wonderful dramatic. :wub:

All the Guise managed to do was fuck over France when she was already suffering under the Valois. <_<
"I've never been quite sure what the point of a eunuch is, if truth be told. It seems to me they're only men with the useful bits cut off."
I drank because I wanted to drown my sorrows, but now the damned things have learned to swim.

Habsburg

#41
April 13, 2009, 06:41:51 PM
Quote from: garbon on April 13, 2009, 06:22:16 PM
Quote from: Habsburg on April 13, 2009, 06:20:03 PM
Teh Guise >>>>>>>>>> Stuarts
  :bleeding:

Puhleeze. The very existence of Mary Stuart gives the lie to that statement. Mary, what a wonderful dramatic. :wub:

All the Guise managed to do was ---- over France when she was already suffering under the Valois. <_<


You don't think that unstable, simple minded Mary Stuart is like, neat-o, do you?  :bleeding:

garbon

#42
April 13, 2009, 06:52:46 PM
Quote from: Habsburg on April 13, 2009, 06:41:51 PM
You don't think that unstable, simple minded Mary Stuart is like, neat-o, do you?  :bleeding:

Of course I do. I don't think Hollywood could dream up such a dramatic and flawed character. It wouldn't seem plausible. ^_^
"I've never been quite sure what the point of a eunuch is, if truth be told. It seems to me they're only men with the useful bits cut off."
I drank because I wanted to drown my sorrows, but now the damned things have learned to swim.

Sheilbh

#43
April 13, 2009, 08:44:05 PM
Quote from: Valmy on April 13, 2009, 04:55:12 PMI was saying that you can consider James a Homo only if you only give credence to his male affairs and completely ignore his female ones and his wife.
Well, there's also the direct secret passage between Villiers bedroom and James's in James's favourite country houses.  Indeed that house was expanded because James gave an order unique, in English history, that it's owner 'expand it for the more commodious enjoyment of the King'.  The passage between their chambers was added during that expansion.

Also James's rumours are very old .  He was called Queen James, there was 17th century verse, contemporary to James, about him fucking Villiers and the first historical accusation came from Jeremy Bentham in the late 18th century.

But it's wrong to talk of gays when you're talking about pre 20th century figures because they didn't exist.  But, as far as sodomites go, James I is one of the more likely candidates.
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#44
April 14, 2009, 12:56:50 AM
The Stuart Age by a chap called Barry Coward is a very good read for the period 1603-1714. Apart from anything else Coward details the areas of controversy and the different schools of thought on these matters, the bibliography is also very good, enabling you to put together a very good reading list for your deeper investigations.

There is no first-rate biography of James I that I'm aware of  :(

I spent a while looking for one a while back and got absolutely nowhere.
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